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Old 28th January 2009, 05:57 PM   #11
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actually domes loaded with waveguides are very nice.
without waveguides domes do sound puny.
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Old 28th January 2009, 07:12 PM   #12
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Default Re: Re: What beats the R2904/7000 ring radiator?

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I assume by 2904/7000 you are talking of the Illuminator.

It really depends on the application. Under some conditions tweeters like the B&G Neo or RAAL or Seas Cresendo/Millenium, etc.. might fare just as well or even better.
The R2904/7000 is not the Illuminator.

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I don't like domes at all.
The R2904/700 is not a dome.

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Old 28th January 2009, 07:12 PM   #13
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If you can cross the tweeter at 6-7Khz, the Raals are superb and by my opinion better than the 2904/7000. However it is not easy to find a midrange driver fast enough to match the Raal and this makes it quite a specific tweeter.
This is helpful. I've heard someone else preferring the Raal ribbons too. Has anyone else had personal experience with the R2904/7000 ring radiator (the flagship SS tweeter) and found a different tweeter that sounded better?

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Old 28th January 2009, 10:16 PM   #14
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This is helpful. I've heard someone else preferring the Raal ribbons too. Has anyone else had personal experience with the R2904/7000 ring radiator (the flagship SS tweeter) and found a different tweeter that sounded better?

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Well, if you read tweeter mishmash at Zaphaudio.com, AFAIK, he still think that the best tweeter money can buy is the Seas 27TBFC/G. Since you can afford a 400$ tweeter, you can probably afford that 40$ Seas and see by yourself.

http://www.zaphaudio.com/tweetermishmash/
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Old 28th January 2009, 10:51 PM   #15
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Default Peerless 810921?

Just a thought, I recently built a small 14 liter 2-way with the 810921 HDS tweeter from Peerless. There are so many variables when attempting to compare units but the HDS is one of my favorites from a measurement and listening impression point of view.

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Old 29th January 2009, 12:53 AM   #16
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Well, if you read tweeter mishmash at Zaphaudio.com, AFAIK, he still think that the best tweeter money can buy is the Seas 27TBFC/G. Since you can afford a 400$ tweeter, you can probably afford that 40$ Seas and see by yourself.

http://www.zaphaudio.com/tweetermishmash/
I couldn't find where Zaph wrote that. All I can find is a description of the similar Vifa XT25, which reads: "Smoothest and most extended response curve in the group, and resulting CSD is excellent." Zaph then desribes the (R2904)7000 as "essentially the high end version of the XT25. Performance is indeed a small step up in all areas." Honestly, I would be a little skeptical of a Seas $40 tweeter sounding better than SS's flagship tweeter, especially since Seas has higher-grade offerings of its own. But again, I'm curious if anyone has any first-hand comparisons themselves of the R2904/7000 and something which they preferred.

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Old 29th January 2009, 01:17 AM   #17
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Well, you're right that he doesn't say much now on that page. But you can take a look at the comparison javascript tool, and make your own conclusions.

Also, in an earlier article in late 2006, that's what he had to say in the introduction :

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This design can be summed up in a few choice words - Cheap and simple with great sound. The Seas 27TBFCG is one of the best tweeters at any price, but thankfully only sells for $32.
http://www.zaphaudio.com/BAMTM.html

Maybe he changed his opinion now, but I don't think so.
Also, Mark K does like it too.

http://www.audioheuristics.org/measu...eas_27tbfc.htm
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Old 29th January 2009, 04:30 PM   #18
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The mivoc XGH258 beats all.
project with mivoc

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compare with ess and see for your self.
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Old 29th January 2009, 04:52 PM   #19
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Default Re: Re: Re: What beats the R2904/7000 ring radiator?

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The R2904/700 is not a dome.

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Semantics - fits in the general audiophile driver, low efficiency class that I have yet to hear an example of that I like. I prefer BMS ring radiators and have for a long time.
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Old 29th January 2009, 05:08 PM   #20
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Sooo... if you can't beat them on performance, perhaps you should beat them on looks...

(Never seen one in the flesh, but I think it looks classy).



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I my eye these look cheap. Imitation Chinese gold look horrible. And those wires above it.


About taste you can't argue we say in the Netherlands. So how likes them must buy them.
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