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Old 26th October 2008, 08:55 AM   #1
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yes, certainly, though bert from bd design knows very well what to do with his speakers both in big (toed out) or in small (toed in) rooms.

i agree that the directivity of the horns is certainly not very welcome when you are sitting on axis, however i'm confident that the solution for what you've experienced was very easy - just to find a correct position in the room. yes, they don't have a big sweet spot. but if you are in it, the swings are still one of the most complete speakers on the market.
Dear Pals...

Being a SwingMKII owner and having almost 100m2 to place them in, results in a listening distance of 5 meters in my case. 1 meter to the back wall and 4-5 meters to the side walls.
Toing them slightly in/out, as they should be, approx 5-10 degrees, makes the sweet spot more than big enough for two listeners having joyful experiences with music.
The imaging is overwhelmignly good for a horn and no sound are spittet directly into your face. A wonderful tone and integration. They reflect lifelike dynamics and transients, micro and and macro dynamics, but not overdoing it, resuting in a being there experience. Relaxing lifelike sound without horn honk and hollownes.
Being in the exact sweet spot results in speaker cabinet and driver disapearance. Yhe be come acoustically invisible. Just close your eyes and listen if you can hear where the speakers are. You cannot.

It is impossible to get the whole benefit of the Swings in a small hotel room. Simply impossible as they where not designed to be placed in such a room.
Amazingly you can get a way with placing them in rather small rooms < 30m2, but then it takes a little patience to get them placed for optimum sound.

They are born with mandatory off axis listening as 100% liniarity, and flatness is acheived by toing them in or out a bit.
That they can swing + - 45 degrees offers you multiple placement posibilities and you are always able to adjust the optimum listening height to your ears.

The horns acoustical centers summarize perfectly at a listening distance of 2 meters. Rather good dispertion I would say.

I would never place my speakers as Bert were forced to in Denver, but what could he do about that? Playing mono for people



Gerner

PS! It is unfortunately not on hi-fi shows you always get's the best presentation and many speakers cannot perform te best on such occasions.
 
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i guess in one year the same gear will cost 1/5th of what they ask today.....


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i guess in one year the same gear will cost 1/5th of what they ask today.....
You don't even need to spend that today to make an excellent server. It's just audiophile jewellery.
 
Old 26th October 2008, 05:45 PM   #4
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It is. And of course they price is much too high. But if you get a chance to see one, you should. It's the best example of a media server I've seen. The user interface is very, very nice.

No reason not to learn from the best.
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It is. And of course they price is much too high. But if you get a chance to see one, you should. It's the best example of a media server I've seen. The user interface is very, very nice.

No reason not to learn from the best.
The hardware would be fairly easy to duplicate... what you are buying is a UI far in advance of anything else available for those with large libraries.

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Old 26th October 2008, 07:10 PM   #6
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It is. And of course they price is much too high. But if you get a chance to see one, you should. It's the best example of a media server I've seen. The user interface is very, very nice.

No reason not to learn from the best.
Fellows, this is not related to Bert Doppenberg, who's name is Bert...

I get PM's which mix up with the two names.
Brett and and Bert. So no need to privat PM me about Brett.

I see Brett clear enough without private PM's.

Just to get it clear.

Pardon.

Gerner

 
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The hardware would be fairly easy to duplicate... what you are buying is a UI far in advance of anything else available for those with large libraries.

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It's a lot for a UI, but might be reason enough for some. I'll live some minor difficulties and a fatter wallet.
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Fellows, this is not related to Bert Doppenberg, who's name is Bert...

I get PM's which mix up with the two names.
Brett and and Bert. So no need to privat PM me about Brett.

I see Brett clear enough without private PM's.

Just to get it clear.

Pardon.

Gerner

I get called Bert all the time, but I'm not BD.

I also hope no one sent you that video. It'd be like so embarrassing to have a Paris moment.
 
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Hey Gerner, good to see you here.
Thanks Shin...

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Old 27th October 2008, 11:49 AM   #10
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It's a lot for a UI, but might be reason enough for some. I'll live some minor difficulties and a fatter wallet.
I get called Bert all the time, but I'm not BD.

I also hope no one sent you that video. It'd be like so embarrassing to have a Paris moment.
Hi Brett


Hmm... Of course someone can mistake a name with another...but still.

In my PM box I have mysterious messages.

Kindest
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