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Old 28th October 2008, 04:55 PM   #21
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Wow.

That is really magic carpet.

Looking at it, I can hear music.

As well as all kinds of noises, people talking to/about me...


PS. I think there is an option allow the size to be 1MB, which allows you to go above 1Kx1K pixel limit...
 
Old 28th October 2008, 05:42 PM   #22
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Originally posted by tktran303
Wow.

That is really magic carpet.

Looking at it, I can hear music.

As well as all kinds of noises, people talking to/about me...


PS. I think there is an option allow the size to be 1MB, which allows you to go above 1Kx1K pixel limit...
Hey...tktran

The magic is this homepage accepts everything and size when it's taken from an URL. And such a one I have. Then no matter pixels


Click the image to open in full size.

Here is a pic with lesser than 1000 pixels. And only 110 KB before upload.

But the problem is the magic carpet change when you do so

Ha.. this previous carpet is a x-tra magic carpet that show the first floor reflection of the lower horn and it's first harmonics..
Very practical and useful...


Gerner
 
Old 28th October 2008, 06:30 PM   #23
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anubisgrau,

Back to the original theory as to the "brown tone."
That's what my wife kept saying, was that she wished she could hear the swings with a different source, and a good tube amp.
Maybe we're both "hearing things," but,
She is a well trained musician of many years with quite experienced ears, and is able to discern many things most "audiophiles" don't hear until she mentions them in simple language, as she doesn't know "audiophile speak."
e.g. person demoing talking about "perfect even frequency response," and she says that's nice but why can't you hear the altos just above middle c... Or the excellent micro-detail retrieval, and she ask why you can tell they're singing Latin, but you can't tell what words they're singing on this system...
So I use her to double-check my impressions, and if we come to the same conclusions, without asking first, I'm pretty sure I'm in the ball park.
And yes, I've been a musician, and worked in recording studios since the mid '70s as well, but am just getting into the hi-fi thing.

They were playing with Bert's source and amps, which I would guess would be good enough to show the speakers off?
Or maybe just all wares for sale?
I doubt it...
I don't know, but listened to in the sweet spot, the same recordings, listened to on some other speakers had more, and more vivid tonal colors.
The speakers were as Bert set them up (as was the entire system), opposite from the pictures gerner posted.
The mid/tweeter horn was to the outside to make a wider sound stage, and the bass to the inside to balance the bass in the room.
Otherwise, as I posted before, I really liked this system!
Robert
 
Old 28th October 2008, 06:50 PM   #24
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anubisgrau,

Back to the original theory as to the "brown tone."
That's what my wife kept saying, was that she wished she could hear the swings with a different source, and a good tube amp.
Maybe we're both "hearing things," but,
She is a well trained musician of many years with quite experienced ears, and is able to discern many things most "audiophiles" don't hear until she mentions them in simple language, as she doesn't know "audiophile speak."
e.g. person demoing talking about "perfect even frequency response," and she says that's nice but why can't you hear the altos just above middle c... Or the excellent micro-detail retrieval, and she ask why you can tell they're singing Latin, but you can't tell what words they're singing on this system...
So I use her to double-check my impressions, and if we come to the same conclusions, without asking first, I'm pretty sure I'm in the ball park.
And yes, I've been a musician, and worked in recording studios since the mid '70s as well, but am just getting into the hi-fi thing.

They were playing with Bert's source and amps, which I would guess would be good enough to show the speakers off?
Or maybe just all wares for sale?
I doubt it...
I don't know, but listened to in the sweet spot, the same recordings, listened to on some other speakers had more, and more vivid tonal colors.
The speakers were as Bert set them up (as was the entire system), opposite from the pictures gerner posted.
The mid/tweeter horn was to the outside to make a wider sound stage, and the bass to the inside to balance the bass in the room.
Otherwise, as I posted before, I really liked this system!
Robert
Sorry Robert because I intrude before Anu.

I have been a recording ingeneer too and only want to point this out.

We as recording engineers hears what the mikes hears. Your dear wife, what she hears, placed in the orchestra or assembly:
This very different I can tell you.
And being drummer in bands for 16 years I can just confirm what you wife said.

The mikes and their placements is not the same as being a musician with ears placed in the middle of the orchestra..

Recorded music always starts with the mikes.

Sorrry for this short interruption.

Gerner
 
Old 28th October 2008, 07:07 PM   #25
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Default Hi gerner!

Sorrry for this interruption.You have wrong flag!

Our flag is" Red Blue White ", remember!

Regards zeoN_Rider
 
Old 28th October 2008, 07:36 PM   #26
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Sorrry for this interruption.You have wrong flag!

Our flag is" Red Blue White ", remember!

Regards zeoN_Rider
Unrelated to the thread, but many countries have those colours in different mixtures.

I can put my Danish falg there insted of.

But frankly I live in Serbia. I have so to speak un-subscribed DK. And it's fine.

Cheers
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Old 28th October 2008, 08:37 PM   #27
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Being a musician I am not able to hear timbre?
To distinguish paritals?
The ability of a driver to resolve a complex waveform?
Or to hear that one set of speakers sounds "obscured" like it's in a fog, dark around the edges, or that the colors are mixed with brown?

I've sat on stage, in the recording studio, and listened in the audience.
OF COURSE it sounds different from different vantage points!
This is about listening to recordings which of course sound different than listening to live music, from any location.
But does a life time of ear training not have some use?
Or am I maybe just too picky?

I mean, as an extreme example, on one particular, much more expensive system, you could hardly tell the difference between an oboe, a clarenet, and a soprano sax.
On the swings it was obvious which instrument was playing, and instruments had a sense of character.

I'm talking about the same recording.
Played on different systems.
I took a CD to many different rooms, with which I am familiar.
Different systems had different strengths and weaknesses.
That was the main thing I didn't like about the swings.
I went over this earlier in this thread I bellieve...
Robert
 
Old 28th October 2008, 10:02 PM   #28
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Originally posted by serenechaos
gerner,
Being a musician I am not able to hear timbre?
To distinguish paritals?
The ability of a driver to resolve a complex waveform?
Or to hear that one set of speakers sounds "obscured" like it's in a fog, dark around the edges, or that the colors are mixed with brown?

I've sat on stage, in the recording studio, and listened in the audience.
OF COURSE it sounds different from different vantage points!
This is about listening to recordings which of course sound different than listening to live music, from any location.
But does a life time of ear training not have some use?
Or am I maybe just too picky?'
I mean, as an extreme example, on one particular, mucmoreexpensive system, you could hardly tell the difference between an oboe, a clarenet, and a soprano sax.
On the swings it was obvious which instrument was playing, and instruments had a sense of character.

I'm talking about the same recording.
Played on different systems.
I took a CD to many different rooms, with which I am familiar.
Different systems had different strengths and weaknesses.
That was the main thing I didn't like about the swings.
I went over this earlier in this thread I bellieve...
Robert
I will'expliain my sefl tomorrow

It's beadtime here.

Gerner
 
Old 28th October 2008, 10:51 PM   #29
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Non topic, I know, but I just saw that BD Swings are specified 24Hz -3dB at 115dB/1W/1m ... that alone would make me highly suspicious of any other claims. Maybe a brownish tone was not a coincidence, they could be full of -well- it
 
Old 28th October 2008, 11:09 PM   #30
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Non topic, I know, but I just saw that BD Swings are specified 24Hz -3dB at 115dB/1W/1m
Bratislav

the midrange/tweeter channel of the Swing uses a BMS4592nd compression driver, which is rated 115db/wm. It's in fact highly efficient. The bass is activ, and should be around 102 db efficient, with the horn in front. ( the BD - design Bass has around 100db/wm, as far as i remember )Gerner, Gordan, i incourage you, to try out a separate horn tweeter, and use the existant midrange horn only for what it should be used : the midrange channel. Than you will have a significant improvement : better dispersion, and the sound opens up. thats what Robert might have observed, and describes as obscured. Someone else , i don't know if it was at this forum, described the Swings as listening to big headphones, because of directionality. Linkwitz said : if you have a beaming treble, you can sit even at the sweetspot, and it still won't sound well. You need the indirect reflected waves to create a soundstage.

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