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Old 18th October 2008, 03:00 AM   #1
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What are the rules. If the lower crossover is 90 hz, can I tune the box to 95 hz, 100 hz...? Where should the crossover be in releation to box tuning? or Fs?
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Old 18th October 2008, 04:00 PM   #2
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IMHO if you only need 90Hz, I would consider going sealed.

Another option is to go open back like this. The rear reflections are quite nice when placed a little away from the wall. Only problem is you need a deep cabinet to prevent cancellation. Works in this instance though where the cut off is higher than 90Hz. If you're set on a tuned cabinet, the others will have to chime in as I'm not the expert.
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I guess I was straying a bit there. I would think you could tune it to overlap (<90Hz) and add a cut off cap to match your main woofer(s)
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Depends... this is a midrange right? If you are considering active Xovers then there are more options here, but in general using passive design s/b keeping Xover frequencies away from box/baffle resonances. Please give more of your specific system and goals, otherwise we are guessing?
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This is for a 10" midrange (JBL2123H). It has an 85 Fs. I need it to cover to 100 Hz. Closed it starts dropping off at 300 Hz. The only way I can get t 100 Hz is with a port tuned to 95- 105 Hz.

My electronic crossover will be at 90 Hz (18db), I can't change it.

So;

FS is at 85.
Crossover is at 90 Hz.
Box tnned to 95 -105 hz.

My understanding is that below port tunig your speaker is uncontroled. If I tune to 105 Hz, could I damage my speaker, will it sound uncontroled. I thought that their might be some generic ratio for this?
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DL "Unibox" (MS excel SS) and model various BassReflex designs using your T/S. It will show excursion vs. freq. at various drive levels. If it shows a problem... the BR design has 2 resonant peaks make sure the active HP has atten. the drive level 10-20 dB before the lowest peak. The BR box response is close to a 4th order (24dB/oct) by itself so it can combine with the active HP filter giving a much steeper overall slope and can cause integration issues with the woofer's response. You can make it work but it's more work to do it.
The simple view is... you don't want the drivers frequency response to define/mess with the crossover frequencies. The most conservative approach is use a closed box design and modify the Xover frequencies. You might look at modding your Xover?
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You could really do something like Cal suggested (good idea)... Fb should approach 1.1xFs or so. Stuff the open chamber well to reduce any TL effects and slightly raise Qts. You want to increase Q to around 0.5-0.6 or equal to the active Xovers LP Q (can add a series resistor to increase more) Recheck excursion with Unibox for a closed box with Vb>Vas, and new Qts.
If this looks and measures ok, you could bypass the active Xover HP section and add an input series capacitor in front of the power amp for a 90Hz 1st order HP. So now the midrange open box response (2nd order) + added cap (1st order) = 18 dB/oct matching the active filter section as close as possible.
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Originally posted by mitchyz250f
This is for a 10" midrange (JBL2123H). It has an 85 Fs. I need it to cover to 100 Hz. Closed it starts dropping off at 300 Hz. The only way I can get t 100 Hz is with a port tuned to 95- 105 Hz.

My electronic crossover will be at 90 Hz (18db), I can't change it.

So;

FS is at 85.
Crossover is at 90 Hz.
Box tnned to 95 -105 hz.

My understanding is that below port tunig your speaker is uncontroled. If I tune to 105 Hz, could I damage my speaker, will it sound uncontroled. I thought that their might be some generic ratio for this?
I wouldn't be concerned with mechanical damage with a tuning of 105 Hz. There are a couple things you might want to consider with a ported midbass though:

- You can vary the volume and tuning to counter the effect of baffle step. Most box programs show half space simulations but in a box that isn't the case... however if you use something like The Edge to get a rough idea what the rolloff will be from baffle step you can compensate for that by playing with the volume and tuning of the ported midbass.

- When tuning high the usual prediction formulas sometimes do not work because the limits of the usual model are being pushed. I have had a hard time pushing the tuning up past 100 Hz in anything over .5 ft^3, for example... the port area needs to be so big that the assumption that the compliance of the port and mass of the box are negligible aren't quite valid any more. My point is you'll might have to experiment more than you would with a more standard ported subwoofer.
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I'd concur with Cal, don't use ported. There really is no reason to port a midbass. The lack of excursion control below curtoff can be a seriuos problem. Best is, as suggested, to use a well stuffed closed box.
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This is for a 10" midrange (JBL2123H). It has an 85 Fs. I need it to cover to 100 Hz. Closed it starts dropping off at 300 Hz.
A crude rule of thumb I use is another octave of useful extension before closed box F3 or rolloff. If your 10" is rolling off below 300Hz - you might be able to squeeze down to 150Hz out of it ported, otherwise you'll oversize the enclosure and get some funky midbass hump around your desired 90Hz and a sag in the 100-200 region.

Is the rolloff purely bafflestep related (or a natural driver anomaly?) Is grossly oversizing the baffle an option?

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