Speaker Workshop: the best and how to use it?

rick57 · 27th March 2003, 10:47 AM

Life is too short to drink bad wine? Probably.
Life is too short to not design and build a "Class A" audio system? You bet!

After much audio & diy audio surfing, I’m just about to start a (hoped for number of) speaker projects, starting with modest components (cheaper Peerless and Seas) in a 2 way as quick training wheels, and say by latest end of year, the real goal of a Linkwitz Phoenix based/ thylantar type updated active 3-way using eg ribbons & PHL.

I’ve searched on
design AND software AND free AND crossover

It seems that Speaker Workshop is the best shareware.

IIRC a conversation 4 months ago with a SW user, to get 3-way, you need to cascade. Apart from that, he was satisfied.

Anyone comments, suggestions, tips?

TIA

rick57 · 27th March 2003, 11:53 AM

So how do you guys or gals do it?

Pick the Hz ok, but levels, shelves & notches

Not really a black art?

FrankDIY · 27th March 2003, 11:55 AM

Speakerworkshop is not the best software but the best <i>free</i> software

There is a good tutorial on the web site where you can learn the design process and how to use the software.

I recommend that you build the Jig before starting any project. This will ensure the repeatability of the results and the coherence.

rick57 · 27th March 2003, 12:05 PM

Thanks François
Looks very useful. Estimated cost & time to build?

TIA

FrankDIY · 27th March 2003, 01:01 PM

If you have all the parts, it take 2-3 hours. It cost me 20$ (CAD) because I have used good RCA jacks and other stuff.

rick57 · 27th March 2003, 01:12 PM

Yes my 2 threads today: on xo design, and testing do overlap – my apologies,
OTBE, it’s better if the approach used is integrated (I’m probably too tired/ one too many beers, and while my aspirations are high for an active 3 way by year end, I’m a newbie).
So summary:

Are PLLXOs worthwhile?

Does Speaker Workshop allow you to design shelves & notch filters?

Does SW handle only normal Passive filters?

Can SW accept the results of a speaker testing rig?

If not, possibly for a 2 projects away, what’s the next level of software up, that can use results?

What is the recommended speaker testing rig, either Elliot or http://www.gti.net/wallin/audio/jig2/jig2.html
and approx time and cost to build?

TIA

rick57 · 27th March 2003, 01:22 PM

Thanks François.
While writing my last post, you answered one of my earlier Qs.

Can SW accept the results of this rig, is there an intractive/ iterative fast tracking method?

FrankDIY · 27th March 2003, 01:38 PM

The version 2 of the jig is the result of comments received by Eric Wallin from the designer of speakerworkshop. So, in my view, this is the best jig to use with speakerworkshop because it is designed for speakerworkshop.

timsch75 · 27th March 2003, 05:12 PM

I'm just getting into SW myself. If you go this route, I have a couple of suggestions. First, definitely build Jig II. Second, the instructions on the Wallin site on how to connect and test the jig with the software are a little outdated unless you have an older soundcard that will put out enough power to drive PC speakers. I have a SBLive soundcard and I've run into some problems due to this that could have been avoided. If you want more info, let me know. good luck.

tim schaefer
timsch75@juno.com

jjheini0 · 8th August 2004, 01:50 PM

Tim, I just built the JigII and have run into problems as you suggest. For one, my soundcard's (SoundMax) output wattage is low compared to the card Eric uses. Have you found any more instructions on how to use it with SW?

27th March 2003, 10:47 AM	#1
rick57 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dry ol Melbourne Australia	Speaker Workshop: the best and how to use it? Life is too short to drink bad wine? Probably. Life is too short to not design and build a "Class A" audio system? You bet! After much audio & diy audio surfing, I’m just about to start a (hoped for number of) speaker projects, starting with modest components (cheaper Peerless and Seas) in a 2 way as quick training wheels, and say by latest end of year, the real goal of a Linkwitz Phoenix based/ thylantar type updated active 3-way using eg ribbons & PHL. I’ve searched on design AND software AND free AND crossover It seems that Speaker Workshop is the best shareware. IIRC a conversation 4 months ago with a SW user, to get 3-way, you need to cascade. Apart from that, he was satisfied. Anyone comments, suggestions, tips? TIA

27th March 2003, 11:53 AM	#2
rick57 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dry ol Melbourne Australia	a black art? So how do you guys or gals do it? Pick the Hz ok, but levels, shelves & notches Not really a black art?

27th March 2003, 11:55 AM	#3
FrankDIY diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Quebec City	Speakerworkshop is not the best software but the best <i>free</i> software There is a good tutorial on the web site where you can learn the design process and how to use the software. I recommend that you build the Jig before starting any project. This will ensure the repeatability of the results and the coherence. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge. knowledge is limited, imagination encircles the world. Albert Einstein FrankDIY's Audio Corner

27th March 2003, 12:05 PM	#4
rick57 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dry ol Melbourne Australia	cost & time Thanks François Looks very useful. Estimated cost & time to build? TIA

27th March 2003, 01:22 PM	#7
rick57 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dry ol Melbourne Australia	SW accept its output? Thanks François. While writing my last post, you answered one of my earlier Qs. Can SW accept the results of this rig, is there an intractive/ iterative fast tracking method?


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27th March 2003, 01:12 PM	#6
rick57 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dry ol Melbourne Australia	Yes my 2 threads today: on xo design, and testing do overlap – my apologies, OTBE, it’s better if the approach used is integrated (I’m probably too tired/ one too many beers, and while my aspirations are high for an active 3 way by year end, I’m a newbie). So summary: Are PLLXOs worthwhile? Does Speaker Workshop allow you to design shelves & notch filters? Does SW handle only normal Passive filters? Can SW accept the results of a speaker testing rig? If not, possibly for a 2 projects away, what’s the next level of software up, that can use results? What is the recommended speaker testing rig, either Elliot or http://www.gti.net/wallin/audio/jig2/jig2.html and approx time and cost to build? TIA

27th March 2003, 01:38 PM	#8
FrankDIY diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Quebec City	The version 2 of the jig is the result of comments received by Eric Wallin from the designer of speakerworkshop. So, in my view, this is the best jig to use with speakerworkshop because it is designed for speakerworkshop. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge. knowledge is limited, imagination encircles the world. Albert Einstein FrankDIY's Audio Corner

27th March 2003, 05:12 PM	#9
timsch75 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: austin, tx	I'm just getting into SW myself. If you go this route, I have a couple of suggestions. First, definitely build Jig II. Second, the instructions on the Wallin site on how to connect and test the jig with the software are a little outdated unless you have an older soundcard that will put out enough power to drive PC speakers. I have a SBLive soundcard and I've run into some problems due to this that could have been avoided. If you want more info, let me know. good luck. tim schaefer timsch75@juno.com

8th August 2004, 01:50 PM	#10
jjheini0 diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Omaha	Questions about using JigII Tim, I just built the JigII and have run into problems as you suggest. For one, my soundcard's (SoundMax) output wattage is low compared to the card Eric uses. Have you found any more instructions on how to use it with SW?

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