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10th September 2008, 09:48 AM  #1 
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nominal impedance conditions
Hi guys.
Just a general question really. What exactly is understood as "nominal impedance" in speakers? What conditions is this impedance derived from (generally speaking). Low frequency / high frequency etc? I have 8 ohm speakers that measure more like 5 ohm Cheers Ted 
10th September 2008, 09:55 AM  #2 
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probably using a wideband noise signal and measuring the rms input signal voltage and the rms input signal current.
Then obtain an effective impedance.
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10th September 2008, 10:06 AM  #3 
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Hi,
The basics are a nominal impedance allows dips below nominal. Most 8 ohm drivers are around 5.6R DCR and 4ohm around 2.7R DCR. Impedance is not resistance, it is complex with phase angles. Generally the nominal impedance of a loudspeaker set by the bass driver(s), unless the other drivers are very unusual. It is not measured, and commercially often "made up", i.e. it says it is 6 ohms nominal, when most would call it 4 ohms. For a complete speaker the measured impedance, Z and phase, by inspection the loading can be reasonably ascertained. See www.stereophile.com speakers reviews measurements for examples. /sreten. 
10th September 2008, 11:24 AM  #4 
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Part 1
Speaker impedance
The following article is based on news articles posted to rec.audio.tech newsgroup by Richard Pierce, Dan Marshall and John Woodgate at 1998 and 1999 The article is compiled and edited by Tomi Engdahl at 1999. The following things have effect on speaker impedance: Voice coil's electrical impedance (resistance, inductance, stray capacitance) Driver's mechanical impedance (stiffness, mass, damping) Driver's acoustic radiation impedance (resistance, reactance) Spaker nominal impedance There is a convention to the use of the term "nominal impedance", and if the impedance over the majority of the bandwidth, specifically covering the range in spectrum where majority of the musical spectral power occurs, it's 8 ohms. A single number cannot tell all there is to tell about an impedance that varies with frequency. You must keep in mind that 'nominal impedacnce' is not defined in IEC. Indeed, the electronics industry was advised when the Trade Descriptions Act was introduced, that the word 'nominal' should no longer be used in specifications. That is why the IEC concept of 'rated value' is so useful. There is a very detailed definition and explanation of this term in IEC602682. The IEC standard (IEC602683) allows any "increase" above the rated value, but limits the "decrease". The standard does not allow the impedance to fall below the 80 % of the nominal value at any frequency, including DC. Practical case In practice all loudspeakers are a compromise, the designer is therefore free to allow the speaker to suck more power from the amp in order to optimise other parameters. Most highquality loudspeakers do dip well below 80% of their nominal impedance at one or more points in the audio band. Speakers which attempt to present a flat impedance load using conjugate techniques have sometimes been described as 'flat and boring', which may or may not be connected to their excessively complex crossovers. Speaker design is nontrivial! Remeber that a specification is only of relevance when a product is claimed to meet it. A specification is only of value when it lays down a minimum standard which is of relevance to the intended purpose of the product. A highquality speaker may reasonably be assumed to be intended to be driven by a high quality amplifier, hence minimum impedance is not an important criterion in establishing sonic performance. Measuring speaker nominal impedance If you just want to find out the nominal impedence of the speaker e.g. ist it 4, 8 or 15 ohms then there is a rough & ready way. Just use your multimeter to measure the DC resistance of the voice coil i.e. across the speaker terminals (with nothing else connected) and multiply the answer by 1.3. So if the DC resistance is say 6 ohms then the speaker is nominally 8 ohm impedance. More complete analysis with minimal equipments: a) Measure the DC resistance across the voice coil with the driver disconnected. The ohm value you get, is the lower impedance bound of the driver. Add an ohm or two to this value, and you should be at the nominal (rated) impedance of the driver. b) Connect a pot in series with the driver voice coil and then to the amp. c) Connect frequency generator or CD player with suitable test CD in it to the amp input, and start walking up the frequency scale in steps. For each step, measure the voltage across the voice coil terminals and then across the pot. Adjust the pot until both voltages match. Now shut down the amp. and measure the resistance across the pot. This is the driver impedance for the current drive frequency. This approach is not the most accurate, but it needs minimal set of measuring equipments: multimeter, signal generator and a potentiometer of 50 ohms 510 watt. The clear advantage of this approach is that the accuracy of the measurement is not affected by the multimeter frequency response (their AC range is designed to show right values at around 50 Hz range and at higher frequencies the accuracy can drop noticably depensing on the meter construction, but this does not affect in this measurement because the absolutely correct AC voltage values are not needed). Warning, KEEP DRIVE LEVELS TO SPEAKER VERY LOW. High levels of sustained sine wave can up the driver voice coil. Speaker model The single most dominant branch of the model is the voice coil DC resistance, Re. It's going to be in series with everything else we will look at (you mentioned "stray capacitance". Yes, there is some, but it's magnitude is absolutely miniscule compared to all other components so it can be ignored). Next we have the voice coil inductance (we'll call it Lvc). Now, it, too, is in series with everything else, but it's no simple inductance. So far, we have the two real electrical components, and they look like: oReLvco Now, the next major set of components are the electrical equivalents of the major mechanical components of suspension compliance, cone mass and suspension losses. The suspension compliance is modelled as an inductor, Lces. The cone mass is modelled as a capacitance, Cmes, and the suspension losses are modeled as a resistor, Res. These three are in parallel and form a damped, parallel resonant branch called the drivere mechanical branch. Finally, in series with that, is the radiation impedance. No single lumpedparameter synthesis comes close to approximating this. Also the magnitude of the impedance of this branch is small compared to the others, so for simulating the ELECTRICAL characteristics, it can be safely eliminated. The driver electrical model, then, looks like this: oReLvc+  +++    Lces Cmes Res    +++  Xrs  o+ Now, the relative values of these components depends upon the magnitudes of the physical values times a transformation factor. That transformation factor is the electromagnteic transduction factor, proportional to the Bl product (the product of the length of the wire l immersed in the magnetic field B), measured in N/A (or T/M, if you will). So, IF we know the magnitudes of the physical components, we can easily calculate their electrical equivalents: Re  don't calculate it, just measure it with a good ohmmeter! Lvc  measure it, but see below! Lces  depends upon the suspension compliance: 2 Lces = Cms (Bl) where Cms is the mechanical compliance in m/N, and the resulting inductance is in henries. Cmes  depends upon the cone mass: 2 Cmes = Mms/(Bl) where Mms is the mechanical compliance in kg, and the resulting capacitance is in farads Res  depends upon the suspension losses: 2 Res = (Bl) /Rms where Rms is the mechanical losses in 1/s, and the resulting resistance is in ohms. Xrs  depends upon the air, the driver diameter, the baffle dimen sions, position of the driver on the baffle, etc., but has little effect on the electrical impedance. Typical characteristics For example, a typical 8" woofer with an Fs=30 Hz, Vas=60L, Qms=2.40, Qes=0.42, Qts=0.36, Re=6.25 ohms, might have the following mechanical parameters: 3 Cms = 1.01 x 10 m/N, 3 Mms = 27.9 x 10 kg, Rms = 2.19 kg/s Bl = 8.84 N/A Then, the electrical equivalents would be: Lces = 78.9 mH Cmes = 356 uF Res = 35.7 ohms Re = 6.25 ohms 
10th September 2008, 11:26 AM  #5 
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Part 2
Effect of enclosure
One can construct a similar branch for the enclosure, using the lumped parameters of a capacitive equivalent Cmep for the port mass Mmp, amd inductive equivalent Lceb for the enclosure compliance Cmb a resistive equivalent Reb for the system losses Rmb and the port radiation impedance Xrp (which is, again, small). That branch looks like: o+  Lceb  Cmep  Rmb  Xrp  o+ The complete driver+enclosure+electrical model looks like: oReLvc++   +++ Lceb     Lces Cmes Res Cmep     +++ Reb   Xrs Xrp   o++ Now there are some other complicating elements that would make for a complete mechanical and acoustical model, such as the mutual coupling of the driver and port, etc., but for the electrical model the above suffices quite well for predicting reality. Typical impedance characteristics of speaker element at different frequencies Let's look at the impedance of a very typical driver. It has the following characteristics: At DC, the impedance is completely dominated by the DC resistance of the voice coil As you increase in frequency towards the fundamantal mechanical resonance, the reflected motional impedance begins to dominate and is inductive in nature. However, the total phase angle of the impedance RARELY exceeds 45 degrees and thus the resistive and reactive (inductive) parts of the impedance are just about equal. At fundamental resonance, the impedance is purely resistive, its phase angle is 0, and is determined by the effective series combination of the voice coil DC resistance and the reflected mechanical losses of (primarily) the suspension (Re + Res in standard Thiele/Small notation). Above fundamental resonance, the impedancs drops, has a negative phase angle (rarely exceeding 45 degrees) and is, surprise, capacitive in nature. The impedance drops until... In the midrange, it approaches the DC resistance of the voice coil it is SLIGHTLY higher than that DC resistance for a variety of reasons, typically about 1020% (and THIS is the region that is used by MOST reasonably responsible manufacturers for specifying the nominal impedance). The impedance at these frequencies is predominantly resistive in nature and is dominated by the DC resistance of the voice coil. Above this region, the inductance of the voice coil begins to influence the impedance. However, it NEVER becomes purely inductive, or even remotely close. First, over the majority of the range of operation, the voice coil resistance still dominates. Second, eddy current losses in the pole piece (see Vaderkooy, et al) dominate quickly, such that the phase angle of the impedance asymtotically approaches about 45 degrees, and NEVER 90 degrees, which would be necessary if your assertioon that the impedance was almost a pure inductance were true. Inmpedance of a speaker IS NOT ALMOST A PURE INDUCTANCE. It is NOWHERE NEAR a pure inductance. The impedance of a speaker is only a rough average of the impedance and that the the voice coil dc resistance of most normal cone type dynamic speaker is roughly 75% of its "rated" impedance as the industry rates impedance. Most 8 ohm speakers will measure somewhere around 6+ ohms dc give or take a bit. (When horn loaded, the impedance increases). Impedance and effiency Let's look at the following situation: Take an 8 ohm speaker and wind twice the length of wire onto the voice coil. The resistance woul go up, for sure, but because there is no more wire in thegap, the electromagnetic couping coefficient, the Bl product, would also go up. And you would have, as a result, a 16 ohm speaker with essentially the same efficiency as the 8 ohm speaker, all other things being equal. Or you could design a speaker with both a higher impedance (longer wire in the voice coil) AND a larger magnet assembly with higher flux density in the gap and get a higher impedance driver with higher electroacoustic efficiency. Or you could design a higher impedance driver with a stronger magnet and a lighter cone and get even more efficiency. The point is, the rated impedance IS NOT the same as the efficiency, nor is there any direct correlation between the two. Efficiency of a given direct readiator driver is determined by the folowing relationship: 2 2 B l n0 = k *  2 2 Re Sd Mas where k is a constant determined by the properties of air B is the magnetic flux density in the gap l is the length of wire in the magnetic field Re is the DC resistance Sd is the radiating area of the cone Mas is the effective total moving acoustical mass of the driver. So, we can see that by doubling the length of the wire that's in the gap (doubling l) will, by itself, increase the efficiency by a factor of 4, but since Re also doubles, it drops it by half, meaning that, all other things being equal, lengthening the voice coil winding in the gap increases BOTH impedance AND efficiency. Now, there ARE tradeoffs, and everything CAN'T be equal. Lengthening the wire ALSO increases the mass, though the voice coil is only part of a larger mass (it includes the vouice coil former, the cone, and so on) so there is not a direct relation. Also, the gap may need to be widened to accomadte the greater winding diameter of the voice coil, and that may reduce B. Add resistance certainly reduces efficiency all by itself. You could, for example, just simply solder a resistor in series and, lo and behold, the impedance goes up and the efficiency goes down. But we already have a case where the efficiency goes up as the impedance goes up. You could wind the voice coil with the same length of finer gauge wire. The result would be the imepdance goes up, and so does the restistance, but since l remains about the same, l^2, remains the same and the efficiency goes down. But wait!, finer wire means less mass, so we can gain some efficiency back from that and the finer wire means a smaller thickness to the voice coil, and the designer may be able to close up the gapand increase B. Or, the designer may just design a TOTALLY difference driver with a different B, a different l, a different cone diameter (changes Sd), a different moving mass and a different resistance and get something totally different efficiency wise. The point being is that a statement like "The higher the impedance, the lower then efficiency," as a generalization has NO basis in physical fact. Jam 
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