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Old 23rd February 2010, 03:39 PM   #501
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Do whatever you want. Take a pen and make your Picasso more "fun" but don't try to convince me that the painting will be more realistic afterwards.

completely false analogy, can't You see it?

Picasso would actually stay as realistic as before You cannot make a painting as a physical object as such more or less realistic

high fidelity is about audible illusions, illusions can be more or less realistic

and if the illusion created by the producer of the recording can be improved then why not?
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excuse me - what is the point (from perspective of a simple music lover, not a professional) of "learning to seperate those two very distinct things"?

is it becoming an audiophile? getting audiophilia as a goal in itself?

in high fidelity something is better when it brings the music closer to You so that You can have an experience that is fuller aesthetically or just more fun

high fidelity is for music lovers

BTW for everyone interested in learning to separate everything from everything in sound and music here is something interesting: Moulton Laboratories :: Golden Ears

Golde Ears - "An audio ear-training course for recording engineers, producers and musicians"
Looks like your real question is "what's the point in culture?".

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Old 23rd February 2010, 03:46 PM   #503
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Looks like your real question is "what's the point in cultur?".
am I Graaf The Barbarian?
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You cannot make a painting as a physical object as such more or less realistic
Exactly but that's what you're trying to do with omni speakers.
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Exactly but that's what you're trying to do with omni speakers.


illusion is NOT a physical object, it is an psychological effect which can be created by means of some physical objects and/or human acts

can You see the difference?
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Old 23rd February 2010, 04:09 PM   #506
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I am not generally a proponent of relativism, but I think you guys should accept that there is no one right way with stereo sound reproduction. There are a couple of perspectives on stereo that are equally valid. It seems the premises on which you base the discussion going on here are different.

What are stereo and the sound system supposed to do?
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So what's the point you're trying to make?
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So what's the point you're trying to make?
Keyser put it well (thanks Keyser!):

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I am not generally a proponent of relativism, but I think you guys should accept that there is no one right way with stereo sound reproduction. There are a couple of perspectives on stereo that are equally valid.
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What are stereo and the sound system supposed to do?
That's the point, create a thoughtful framework. The ones we have right now are based on tradition and chance.
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What are stereo and the sound system supposed to do?
to bring the music to the music lover at her/his home to her/his aesthetical satisfaction?

"To me audio is just a room service like central heating" - this is the point of high fidelity in the words of the inventor of the term and I agree 100%
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