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Old 24th March 2014, 02:38 PM   #3191
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I use the Bremen speakers and they are superb. But not as depicted in the photos on a front wall but on side walls.

there was a picture posted earlier in this thread by myself of Bremen speaker in a sidewall placement:
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It may seem wide but works very well. No hole in the middle but great stage. Walls disapear. Orchestra is grand. Tight close-mic'd recording sound... close, but not dead.

No hint of speakers on most recordings.

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The music experience this system provides is exciting and involving. From Emma Kirkby, via Keith Jarret and Pink Floyd to Meshugga

The big things started to happen when speakers came onto the wall. This was a revelation.
this is how the sidewall/Beveridge placement works

thanks for sharing Your observations!
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Old 24th March 2014, 06:24 PM   #3192
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Oops, yes, that is how I have them. But considerably farther from the back wall.

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Old 24th March 2014, 08:21 PM   #3193
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Oops, yes, that is how I have them. But considerably farther from the back wall.

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Old 25th March 2014, 10:19 AM   #3194
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'Soffit' mounting speakers is a good way to get rid of early reflections. Putting them in the sidewalls in a long-narrow room is as good position as any. Danley-style horns come to ming for that application. Just make sure that no detrimential signal comes from the front wall reflection, if the speaker is more omni.

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"Later James experimented with Dr. Floyd Toole’s side-firing ambiance theories, which led to Late Ceiling Splash (LCS)."
LeJeune's and Romeirin's 'ceiling splash' is a clever way to get a good clean ISD gap with a very dense 'reverb tail'. Only caveat is that it is not laterally arriving. Aiming the directional 'reverb' speaker to the sidewall gets you the 'lateral' part, but depending on the room, doesn't give enough signal delay gap. Thats why it is what it is.
Next evolution of the theme could use a DSP to delay the 'effect' speaker to make the later arriving soundfield more dense and arrive more laterally... wait, since Dolby surround every upmixer can do this. Another case of "Ancients keep stealing our inventions".
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^Yes this wheel has been invented already - Dolby Prologic (II) encoding! Most AV receivers have DPLII and many parameters are adjustable, eg. surround/rear speaker distance/delay/phase warp.

Dolby Pro Logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 25th March 2014, 10:38 PM   #3196
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Bech study referenced but not linked as far as i could find...

http://orbit.dtu.dk/fedora/objects/o...317430/content

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Old 11th July 2014, 06:45 AM   #3197
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meanwhile up-firing speakers conquer the realm of HT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...sAsZyRm_k#t=45
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Old 11th July 2014, 07:05 AM   #3198
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...and a really cute little reporter visits Mr Hiroyuki Yoshii - who went from big waveguides in the 80s (which can be seen in the background around 0:25-0:30) to diminutive up-firing speakers in the 21st (long vertical tubes behind "Mr Time Domain"):

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meanwhile up-firing speakers conquer the realm of HT:

ONKYO - What is Dolby Atmos? - YouTube

I cannot see any up firing speakers in that Onkyo commercial


BTW, Onkyo did make some interesting speakers in the past:

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Of course it is not floor coupled nor up firing, but horns and high efficiency. But hey that's exactly what Mr Hiroyuki Yoshii did too

And now they are into up-firing


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I cannot see any up firing speakers in that Onkyo commercial
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