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Old 24th February 2014, 10:37 AM   #3181
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Due to size I have not read all this thread yet, but here is a link that looks an interesting concept !

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Old 24th February 2014, 11:50 AM   #3182
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Due to size I have not read all this thread yet, but here is a link that looks an interesting concept !

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great! looks like someone got inspired by this thread

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With the LCS speakers engaged, what I heard was an incredible sound stage, as if the sidewalls and ceiling had been completely demolished.
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Old 12th March 2014, 07:14 AM   #3183
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Old 12th March 2014, 12:44 PM   #3185
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"Later James experimented with Dr. Floyd Toole’s side-firing ambiance theories, which led to Late Ceiling Splash (LCS)."

Now, I know about side firing speakers yes I do, but I cannot recall Toole experiencing with those concepts ?

Also , it is not immediately apparent how potentially beneficial 'side firing' leads to ceiling reflection as a solution ?


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Old 12th March 2014, 01:21 PM   #3186
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Now, I know about side firing speakers yes I do, but I cannot recall Toole experiencing with those concepts ?
neither can I

but who knows what Dr Toole does when nobody is looking


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Also , it is not immediately apparent how potentially beneficial 'side firing' leads to ceiling reflection as a solution ?
yeah, OTOH my own "side firing" experiments led me eventually to a FCUFS concept* ... however I can't remember anymore how they did

*of which this LCS seems to be a sort of cleverly disguised commercial ripp-off
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Old 12th March 2014, 07:22 PM   #3187
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From the above linked page:
"Later James experimented with Dr. Floyd Toole’s side-firing ambiance theories, which led to Late Ceiling Splash (LCS)."

Now, I know about side firing speakers yes I do, but I cannot recall Toole experiencing with those concepts ?

Also , it is not immediately apparent how potentially beneficial 'side firing' leads to ceiling reflection as a solution ?


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I think it's a heavily "derived" accounting of Toole's work.

Likely derived from his research on first order reflections (vs. loudspeaker directivity), and also from his work on multi-channel.

In a loose sense, you can say that multi-channel (surround speakers) is "side-firing".. no?
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Old 23rd March 2014, 04:51 PM   #3188
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You asked me to use my ears, and there you have it. The presentation I heard from flooder's was inaccurate and unrepresentative of what I heard from the 2 way front firing speakers in my listening room, and the speakers in my post production studio.
So, did you ever leave the studio to take 25th row and shut your eyes?

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I know this because I have heard my own recordings on flooder's, and they sound nothing like what I heard in my studio which uses front firing speakers.
Maybe your perception of reality is based mostly from what you hear in your studio, using front firing speaker?

I prefer side wall mounted speakers like Beveridge style positioning. Transducer close to wall creates an reflection image like an 360 deg dispersion without actual reflections like with MBL. MBL would be the sign of commercial success of "flooder" (don't like that name really). I personally can't stand "beemers" any more - thats for sure. They all reveal themselves immediately as "reproduction" - I'm after at least an "lllusion".

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Old 23rd March 2014, 08:04 PM   #3189
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Hi TNT!

Can You give any details of Your setup please?
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Old 23rd March 2014, 11:50 PM   #3190
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I use the Bremen speakers and they are superb. But not as depicted in the photos on a front wall but on side walls. The room is 5x4,7m (height is 2,9). I sit on the 5m wall, in a sofa against the wall. Speakers tweeter centre is 0,9m above floor. Ear to speaker distance is 3,1m so they sit just a bit past middle of the wall. So I actually play the widest possible way. Still, the room is quite square.

It may seem wide but works very well. No hole in the middle but great stage. Walls disapear. Orchestra is grand. Tight close-mic'd recording sound... close, but not dead.

No hint of speakers on most recordings. I have (2) eq'd subs in the corners but currently no way to delay the Bremens for time alignment but they are a nice addition anyway. Many would be satisfied by the Bremens alone I would guess as the bass gain from the walls does the trick. The Bremens run full range - subs are LP at 35 hz 4th order. / 500W Ice-power per sub. Search for IKEA bowl subs on the forum.

D/A is a combo of Ians clock, Ackos teflon DAC and 10 ohm/Lundahl MC trafo as I/V connected with 15cm wire to a pair of ICE-power ASP-1000. I'm using the digital level control in the D/A ESS chip. The whole system is run from a 5KVA 115-115 volt shielded isolation trafo. Short but sweet signal chain. All cabling is single core.

The music experience this system provides is exciting and involving. From Emma Kirkby, via Keith Jarret and Pink Floyd to Meshugga

The big things started to happen when speakers came onto the wall. This was a revelation. To have a real good source is also nice.

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