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Old 29th April 2013, 08:27 PM   #2231
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Doesn't the flooder benefit from a floor based boundary reinforcement and a strong ceiling reflection? You sit a speaker directly on the floor, and that is a 3db boost at bass frequencies. How is a ceiling reflection any better than a floor reflection when both cause destructive interference?
the difference is caused by the fact that a ceiling/coming-from-above reflection is not - unlike a ground/floor reflection - a spatial cue per se
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Well, that's what you say. I've heard, and built, floor speakers, they're OK. But not anything I'd give up regular speakers for. If you love the effect and want to find technical reasons to do so, fine. I also find the effect interesting, but not enough to go full time with it.

It's a matter of taste.
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Old 29th April 2013, 11:30 PM   #2233
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the difference is caused by the fact that a ceiling/coming-from-above reflection is not - unlike a ground/floor reflection - a spatial cue per se
Do you really expect me to buy this? This is a rediculous explaination.
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Do you really expect me to buy this? This is a rediculous explaination.
"The light shineth into the darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not."

Dude, you just can't fix this. They're going to argue for this flooder nonsense as long as they're alive. Makes the world go 'round y'know.
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Old 30th April 2013, 07:03 AM   #2235
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Well, that's what you say.
You mean?


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If you love the effect and want to find technical reasons to do so, fine.
thank You!
Please be so kind and share You experience. What were those floor speakers that You had listened to?


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I also find the effect interesting, but not enough to go full time with it.

It's a matter of taste.
yes, it is certainly a matter of expectations, of "accumulated biases" as Dr Toole put it in His book and I find His explanation of different expectations quite convincing and His conclusion on that subject quite persuasive
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Old 30th April 2013, 07:05 AM   #2236
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Do you really expect me to buy this? This is a rediculous explaination.
What is ridiculous about it?

It is just psychoacoustics.

And it has been confirmed in the "Archimedes" Eureka-funded scientific research project I linked above.

Ceiling reflection is detrimental to the sound quality of a conventional forward firing speaker but it affects quality in a different way than floor reflection.

It is the floor reflection that destroys the sense of realism:

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That is what makes the speaker sound like a radio and not like the actual event.
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Old 30th April 2013, 11:08 AM   #2237
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Graaf, you are becoming tiresome. We all understand your love for the flooder speaker and the reasons for that love. We do not share the love. You've made your point, over and over and over again. Can we move on please? Your story has become tedious.
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Old 30th April 2013, 11:18 AM   #2238
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Graaf, you are becoming tiresome. We all understand your love for the flooder speaker and the reasons for that love. We do not share the love. You've made your point, over and over and over again. Can we move on please? Your story has become tedious.
I am really sorry

please feel free to put me on Your ignore list

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I can't put you on my ignore list, mods don't have one.

You've made your point, we understand. Since you started the thread, maybe you should have given it another title. Did you start the thread to discuss speakers and rooms as a system, or just to discuss the advantages of flooders? If the latter, then maybe a title change is in order. Nothing wrong with that. They are related, but different, subjects.
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Did you start the thread to discuss speakers and rooms as a system,
I believe my intention was clearly stated in the first post if this thread.

However it came out to be just a "flooder thread", which was not my intention.

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If the latter, then maybe a title change is in order. Nothing wrong with that.
why not - perhaps "floor coupled up-firing speaker" would be appropriate, because "flooder" would be enigmatic
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