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Old 27th April 2013, 06:22 PM   #2201
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while in the flooder approach speaker configuration creates no elevation cues of itself, therefore only those elevation cues that are preserved in the recording are audible
How so ? If the sound is coming from the ceiling reflection, then all the elevation cues are ceiling cues.
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Old 27th April 2013, 07:45 PM   #2202
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How so ? If the sound is coming from the ceiling reflection, then all the elevation cues are ceiling cues.
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The problem that I am having with this "flooder" thing is that no studio mixes on a flooder type system. So this becomes a sonic gimmick with absolutely no point of reference whatsoever. It is an effect, and nothing more.
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Old 27th April 2013, 09:49 PM   #2203
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How so ? If the sound is coming from the ceiling reflection, then all the elevation cues are ceiling cues.
oh c'mon Elias! what cues? Consider the system as a whole ie. the floor coupled speaker AND its ceiling reflection - HRTF? Consider that we have here high freqs BOTH from below and from above
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The problem that I am having with this "flooder" thing is that no studio mixes on a flooder type system. So this becomes a sonic gimmick with absolutely no point of reference whatsoever. It is an effect, and nothing more.
so it is a real thing, isnīt it? You call it "an effect" but isnīt "stereo" itself "an effect" either? So - is it the only problem You're having with this "flooder" thing?
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Old 27th April 2013, 11:30 PM   #2205
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so it is a real thing, isnīt it? You call it "an effect" but isnīt "stereo" itself "an effect" either? So - is it the only problem You're having with this "flooder" thing?
Please don't BS me, it weakens your arguement. Almost all music is mixed and mastered on front firing stereo speakers. By playing the music back on a flooder system, you are totally changing the presentation and the carefully eq'd frequency response the mastering engineer was trying to create.

All studio use either stereo or multichannel speaker setup with front firing speakers. Nobody uses a flooder.
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Looking at a Picasso through 3D glasses can be fun. Pretty sure i'd want to see one in its original setting though.
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Old 28th April 2013, 06:16 AM   #2208
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By playing the music back on a flooder system, you are totally changing the presentation and the carefully eq'd frequency response the mastering engineer was trying to create.
The presentation is more realistic. Do You think that all unconventional speakers - planar, linesource, omni or unconventional setups like Ambiophonics should be banned from the HiFiland? Also You can Eq the system anyway You like. Audiophiles are doing this all the time. And NOBODY knows the engineer's intention. Most probably not even one listener has a system and acoustics identical to the one used in a studio at home. Probably You won't be able to find two identical studios. Therefore the only true measure of HiFi is the real thing.
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Looking at a Picasso through 3D glasses can be fun. Pretty sure i'd want to see one in its original setting though.
good analogy with 3D glasses! Itīs quite like 3D conversion. But why Picasso?? Think rather about old movies or photos, if such a process was technically feasible.
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