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Old 3rd October 2012, 03:50 AM   #1731
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to markus,

This is the layout:
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Overall - open space including living room, kitchen/dinning area, and a little study:
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Old 3rd October 2012, 04:23 AM   #1732
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Picture here:

Controlled vs wide dispersion in a normal living room environment..
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Old 3rd October 2012, 07:14 AM   #1733
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Why can I pinpoint that little tiangle in the whole (sound-)space?
I have been asking the question on diyaudio for over 4 years now.
Most resident experts here keep answering like "you cannot", "you like bad un-hifi sound of everything sounds the same" or just "you are plain stupid/lunatic" etc.

Recently I also got a warning from moderators too. I still wonder what is it for?

anyway - what a beautiful, clear and complete schematic
BTW the picture of Your system deserves to be reposted here:

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Old 3rd October 2012, 07:46 AM   #1734
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ps.
Does it make any difference if the tweeter is placed directly on the floor or raised on a stand? Have You tested such an arrangement? Could You?
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Old 3rd October 2012, 09:04 AM   #1735
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BTW, I don't know why the diffused HF can sound pretty clear. For example, the triangle at the far corner of a big orchestra is sounding just the way it should -- distant, small, crisp and clear. Both spaciousness and imaging are very good. ...

So basically the HF in this (very reflective) room is everywhere. Why can I pinpoint that little tiangle in the whole (sound-)space? I can't explain.
I see two reasons:
1) From our evolutionary experience (don't have a better word for it) we know, that the source of a high-frequency-only sound with a sharp rising transient must be small. Physics dictate that.
2)Look at this paper: http://decoy.iki.fi/dsound/ambisonic...%20al_1985.pdf
It discusses why our ear/brain can't place high-frequency-only sources precisely on the stereo scene. If in doubt our brain has a tendency to move them to the sides of the acoustic scene. Did it ever appear to you that you hear those triangles mostly from the center or the outer limits of your acoustic scene, but rarely from say 20?

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Old 3rd October 2012, 09:15 AM   #1736
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Yes, correct, that's what I'm using. Thank you.

BTW, I don't know why the diffused HF can sound pretty clear. For example, the triangle at the far corner of a big orchestra is sounding just the way it should -- distant, small, crisp and clear. Both spaciousness and imaging are very good.

Flooder tweeters aside, the directivity of the central channel DML panel is very wide, too. The panel is quite large (180x90cm), with a very uniform half-space radiation.

So basically the HF in this (very reflective) room is everywhere. Why can I pinpoint that little tiangle in the whole (sound-)space? I can't explain.
Thanks for the pictures. Now it would be interesting to hear how you would rate the "locatedness" of sounds in your room with high directivity speakers like the Danley SH-50.

Rudolf already commented on the perceptual aspects of "good" locatedness in a reflective environment.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 09:45 AM   #1737
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Thanks for the pictures. Now it would be interesting to hear how you would rate the "locatedness" of sounds in your room with high directivity speakers like the Danley SH-50.
and how You rate it Markus in Your room? with Danley SH-50?
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Old 3rd October 2012, 09:53 AM   #1738
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I see two reasons:
You seem to assume that only triangles sound good - that is appropriately focused and localised - in CLS's system, why?
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thank You for removing all those talking down and poking fun posts
now the thread looks much nicer
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