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Old 31st March 2010, 08:28 PM   #1191
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Please remember Im not "advocating" omnis, or anything else for that matter
Im just very open minded
Should I prove my experience with measurements
No way
And why should I
Again, Im not "advocating" anything, so I dont have to prove anything, and Im not trying to either

But I might feel bad about all those many people who get dissapointed when they experience, whatever they may have been lead to believe works, doesnt work so well at all
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:30 PM   #1192
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Basically what I am saying is that it's not my fault that the ENTIRE audio industry is ignoring the sound field. You guys are only looking at the surface of things and designing for that while some of the companies actually know better and have been keeping some secrets to themselves.

Look up the subjective reviews for Wharfedale Diamond 8.2 and tell me how they differ from the reviews of Linkwitz's and Gedde's speakers. I have a feeling that IAG might understand this theory about directivity a little better than we do and has been one step ahead of us. Quad from what I know has always had there speakers match with a tight tolerance because maybe they understand stereo sound a little better than the average joe.
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:34 PM   #1193
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Key, your files are audibly distorted! I don't think that's the fault of the entire audio industry.
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:35 PM   #1194
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P.S. And can you please please describe the "null cancel test"?
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:36 PM   #1195
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Please remember Im not "advocating" omnis, or anything else for that matter
Im just very open minded
Should I prove my experience with measurements
No way
And why should I
Again, Im not "advocating" anything, so I dont have to prove anything, and Im not trying to either

But I might feel bad about all those many people who get dissapointed when they experience, whatever they may have been lead to believe works, doesnt work so well at all
That's also not an answer to my two questions.
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:38 PM   #1196
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Quad from what I know has always had there speakers match with a tight tolerance because maybe they understand stereo sound a little better than the average joe.
I have heard QUADs once, and was dissapointed
But probably because they are dipole and in the wrong room
So I will give them the credit of the doubt
But it may matter that their good reputation is from a time when ALL speakers were poorly designed

btw, I remember another pair of QUADs
They sounded ok driven by a 20watt Hiraga(DIY)
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:40 PM   #1197
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That's also not an answer to my two questions.
Oh, well then it was no answer, or maybe it was
Was it a question
Sounded more like insinuating to me
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Old 31st March 2010, 09:05 PM   #1198
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Hi,

It's clear you use a cross-talk cancelling in those files.

Can you do your future demos with less annoying music selection please.

And use a less annoying file server.

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Old 31st March 2010, 09:18 PM   #1199
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I have heard QUADs once, and was dissapointed
But probably because they are dipole and in the wrong room
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Maybe those crucial experiences make up our later preferences ...

I heard an ESL63 the first time in a rather large room with
sufficient distance of the speakers to the walls. They were
crossed over to an "Outsider" active subwoofer.

I loved the Quads immediately although there was a slight
"shallow" bass quality (even with the mono sub) which e.g.
this "advertising pillar" shaped beverdidge model did not have.
It had nothing to do with "too less" bass, difficult to describe.
It also had nothing to do with the bass being dipole.

Quad and Beveridge as well are very directional speakers
and i kept this preference for controled direcivity
although i listened to many other systems during the time.
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Old 31st March 2010, 09:27 PM   #1200
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btw, I remember another pair of QUADs
They sounded ok driven by a 20watt Hiraga(DIY)
Those wouldn't happen to belong to a tall guy in Paris, would they? I built a Hiraga 20W for a buddy who has a pair.

Thorsten - you gave me a big laugh with the Logan's run Audiorama
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Great stuff. And doubly funny because I had just run across these on eBay:
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Funky!!
(Item number 120549165362 BTW)
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