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Old 31st March 2010, 06:46 PM   #1181
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yes, "loudspeakers and room as a system"
Yup. Absolutely. And highly reflective room surfaces for most of the room mean that the only way to promote direct sound over the reverbrant field is to make them more directional. The alternative is to damp the rooms reverbrant field.

See various books previously cited.

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Old 31st March 2010, 06:53 PM   #1182
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See various books previously cited.
the proof of the pudding is not in the books

BTW those books don't cover our case

and yes, it is not supposed to work according to some well-established opinions yet somehow it works
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Old 31st March 2010, 07:07 PM   #1183
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BTW those books don't cover our case
How can you tell if you never read any of them?
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Old 31st March 2010, 07:20 PM   #1184
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Fore 15 years or more I have believed the opinions that omnis cant work, and fore the matter, dipoles as well
I have learned that such general announcements are mostly heresay, related to poorly implemented designs, in general
I wouldnt be surpriced if that concerns almost every type of music reproduction
In my book, any "speaking in general" isnt valid or worth more than the words

As well as I cant claim that all omnis work, just because I have managed to make one work
I may not even have the same luck next time
All I know, it CAN be made to work
I dont know yet which design parameters to rely on
I could fear its having the drivers placed on the floor, and being dipole
Pretty strange
And I perfectly understand why noone believes that
Im surpriced too
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Old 31st March 2010, 07:25 PM   #1185
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Fore 15 years or more I have believed the opinions that omnis cant work, and fore the matter, dipoles as well
I have learned that such general announcements are mostly heresay, related to poorly implemented designs, in general
I wouldnt be surpriced if that concerns almost every type of music reproduction
In my book, any "speaking in general" isnt valid or worth more than the words
What do you mean by "it works"? Are we back to "I like it and that's all what matters"?
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Old 31st March 2010, 07:43 PM   #1186
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Are you saying Im stupid and dont know nothing about sound

Allow ME a question
How many "constant directivity" speakers do you use as reference
A how many other good speakers do you use as reference, and which
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Old 31st March 2010, 07:56 PM   #1187
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I think that's not an answer to any of my two questions.
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:01 PM   #1188
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I consider my Nathans "tightly matched". I would even go so far to claim they are tighter matched than the majority of speakers. If your "system" relies on an unusual tight speaker matching, then probably not many people will use it because it just would not work for them.

Can you describe the "null cancel test"?
Listen man my speakers cost 100 bucks a pair retail. If you can't get the 3-D sound I am getting from those files it's your problem not mine.
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:12 PM   #1189
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Listen man my speakers cost 100 bucks a pair retail. If you can't get the 3-D sound I am getting from those files it's your problem not mine.
Are you serious? You want to "sell" someone a "product" and then you tell him it's his problem that your product is not working?

Did someone else try Key's files?
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Old 31st March 2010, 08:16 PM   #1190
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