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Old 17th January 2013, 08:20 PM   #1371
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Do any of the enable proponents have a guess as to what could measurably explain the sound difference heard by people?
I believe that to measure what is happening, you willhave to look 30-50 dB down from the primary signal, which will require a good anechoic chamber and something like this (the same kit Geddes said was needed to see the HOMs he talks about). Microflown

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What about a (double) blind test?
A double blind test that is sufficiently stringent to be published is both costly & time connsumming. Single or (close to) double blind* informal tests have been done, and have produced results in favour of EnABL.

*Self admisistered blind tests (the people who set it up, not around). Also tests with blind people.

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A double blind test that is sufficiently stringent to be published is both costly & time connsumming. Single or (close to) double blind* informal tests have been done, and have produced results in favour of EnABL.

*Self admisistered blind tests (the people who set it up, not around). Also tests with blind people.

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More costly and time consuming than this endless drivel?
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Old 17th January 2013, 08:35 PM   #1374
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Whatever...
Hi, Pretty much my point, you can't really argue a point, rgds, sreten.
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More costly and time consuming than this endless drivel?
If every person has posted donated $100 or so, and there were some equipment & space donations, and the time could be concentrated in one place over a period of a month or so, then it could be done.

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Old 17th January 2013, 08:42 PM   #1376
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We have progressed to being able to find the exact locations to apply the spots to. Empirical as it still is, since we do not have the pleasure of scientific exactitude, it is still extremely effective. As alluded to, it is called the "tap test".
I'm continually amazed by your ability to make statements within which are complete contradictions that make it a non sequitur.

Either you can do it or you can't.

What one hears as a difference is a measurable difference and has been demonstrated. There is no need to dig 30-50 db down. It's just another example of ignoring what's been demonstrated in the (distant) past. The problem arises with making unproven hypotheses as to the change that occurs, as demonstrated in those old links.

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If every person has posted donated $100 or so, and there were some equipment & space donations, and the time could be concentrated in one place over a period of a month or so, then it could be done.

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You have the equipment and space, no?
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There is no need to dig 30-50 db down.
A clear indication that you have no idea what the people who hear a difference (those multitudes suffering from a so-called mass hallucination) are hearing.

This is not a problem that you can take a hammer to.

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Btw, in the link from Bud (below), the scale between the two CSD plots is vastly different:
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You have the equipment and space, no?
I could loan speakers given sufficient lead time, i do not have the space, time, or any funds.

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