EnABL side Thread

[Jay_WJ]

This thread split off from here First pair of DIY speakers

Originally posted by drproton
Can you explain the EnABL thing to me? How much does it cost to get this done, assuming I don't do it myself.

Here're opinions of some expert DIYers over at PE Tech Board:

http://www.pesupport.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=393330

Particularly, I'd listen to dlr (Dave L Ralph). He has done quite a few speaker driver mods. It appears that there is no objective measurement of the real effect yet.

Looking around some more the zaph audio SR71 kit seems popular. I am tempted to try one of these. It seems like a proven design and all the parts are available in kit form.

If you're going to use these speakers on a computer desk, close to walls, or in some similar situation that causes a significant boundary gain, you'll need a bit less baffle step compensation. Concerning this, take a look at my page:

http://www.geocities.com/woove99/Spk...18RNX_2Way.htm

[Jay_WJ]

Originally posted by planet10
I too have been doing speaker mods for some 30+ years and what EnABL is providing is unlike anything else i have been able to achieve.

Achieve anything in what ways? I wholeheartedly agree with dlr in saying:

"The problem here is that any kind of valid tests need to be run on the same driver before, then after any mods. That's the one and only way to quantify the changes."

"If the FR doesn't show much change if any at all then it is likely in the area of altering the distortion characteristics. Still measurable."


And I remember you used this "some 30+ years" talk somewhere else before. You still do this? Please... This doesn't tell anything. I'd believe in good measurements and logical conclusions provided by a person with one year experience rather than subjective evaluation given by one with 50+ yrs experience. Experience alone doesn't much tell why people with experience of some 30+ years can still have different opinions. AFAIK, people who joined the discussion at PE have also spent quite a few years in speaker building and tweaking.

[MJL21193]

Hi Jay,
You are wasting your breath. Enabl has reached cult status among the faithful and they won't be swayed.
Amusing to follow though.

Originally posted by drproton

I'd like to hear and recommendations/reviews on kits in this price range, and not unnecessarily just the ones listed above. I did come across some other sites that sold kits, but I can't seem to find them right now. Another other comments would be appreciated. Sorry for the rant, and thanks for your help.

Hi,
This is not a kit, but a very nice speaker to build. Not complicated either.
It's a Seas coax driver that's $150.00 at Solen. Crossover as detailed by Tony is very simple to construct and not at all expensive. The box is also easy to build.
You can expect great performance from this one.

[Jay_WJ]

Originally posted by MJL21193
[B]Hi Jay,
You are wasting your breath. Enabl has reached cult status among the faithful and they won't be swayed.

Don't worry. That's not what I attempt. I'm not concerned at all with those who've already become the faithful

[planet10]

Originally posted by Jay_WJ
Don't worry. That's not what I attempt. I'm not concerned at all with those who've already become the faithful

In a way John is right... but i think the analogy is more akin to people who had experienced colour TV in the day when most people had black & white TVs.

I have said enuff... any on-going discussion should be restricted to the EnABL threads, drproton now knows of its existance and he can look at it at his own discretion.

I started out simply described an event that had direct relevance to his question.

dave

[MJL21193]

Originally posted by Jay_WJ


Don't worry. That's not what I attempt. I'm not concerned at all with those who've already become the faithful

Months ago I got into that thread asking those same questions, stirring up the same stink and made no difference. Of course, it was just me at the time.
The sheep are going to follow the shepherd anyway.

[Jay_WJ]

Originally posted by planet10
[B]
but i think the analogy is more akin to people who had experienced colour TV in the day when most people had black & white TVs.

I really hate to nitpick but I want to ask. Are you serious? You really want to compare this auditory perception (not just auditory, but very subtle perception) to color vs b/w perception? This isn't analogy at all!

I agree that this isn't a right thread to talk about it. But there isn't anything more to say than I did above.

[AJinFLA]

Dave,

You will probably remove this post and ban me, but this absoultely reeks of conflict of interest. You are a moderator shilling a product that you have for sale (Yes, I saw the price of your drivers prior to your edit, which does not show up probably because you are a mod). What happened to global moderation here?
This is ridiculous.

Cheers to my last post,

AJ

[MJL21193]

Originally posted by AJinFLA

You are a moderator shilling a product that you have for sale

I can't say that I see differently. It getting to be a bit much?

[AJinFLA]

Did you see the post before the edit? This is a new member (drproton) too.