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Old 3rd January 2008, 11:43 AM   #11
Steve M is offline Steve M  Australia
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Not too many bites from you guys to this post, however ...

The only reason I have raised the point that my Edgar Horns are not that much different sounding to my thin membraned electrostats (or for that matter also my Accuton-Raven-Cabasse or Single Driver combinations) is that it seems to me that when you get things 'just right' with any of the various speaker technologies, there seems to be a commonality to the sound produced by any of them.

I would go so far as to say that there is only *one* type of sound produced by any loudspeaker once 'perfection' is attained. That is not to say I have achieved perfection, just a hunch I have after many years of hi-fi'ing and speaker building ...


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Old 3rd January 2008, 11:57 AM   #12
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That reminds me of Siegfried Linkwitz statement, that his open baffle and omnidirectional speakers sounded nearly identical in his room. very different designs, but both well designed. isnt it nice, that there are so many ways to a satisfying experience?
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Old 3rd January 2008, 07:31 PM   #13
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When I was playing around with some DIY MTMWs and a Pyramid 3-way active crossover about 13 years ago, I had them placed right next to my dad's Quad 63+Gradient subs and could dial them in so close that you couldn't tell them apart initially from the listening position. Good way to adjust them for a particular location in the room. (Now I use headphones to get the balance right.)

But to answer the question: I have never heard horns that didn't sound like horns, and I have found even ratty ESLs (like Final 0.7 and old Acoustats) to have the ESL magic. But I'm biased that way...
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Old 4th January 2008, 04:44 AM   #14
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Mavo: That's an interesting comment from the notable Siegfried, one that mirrors my own recent experience with two completely different (but now similar sounding) loudspeakers.

Tosh: I suppose there are horns and there are other horns like the Edgar which when you get things just right, it gets the 'horniness' out of the system and starts to sound pretty normal (read: accurate). I used to think that horns and stats were completely different animals - and have a liking for both, for the perceived benefits that each type offers. However, recently I have hit on a combination of drivers and crossover points with my DBX on the Edgar Horns that it now sounds remarkably similar to the elctrostatics I own! Its either that or there are psychoacoustics at play, where I have sub-consciously tuned the Edgar to sound like the stats, the latter being my reference point for good sound in a speaker ??


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Old 17th April 2008, 01:50 PM   #15
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Originally posted by Steve M
Charles: I don't have any specs on the Audax PR120, I just assumed it was a piezo from the look of it. So what is it, a horn loaded ring radiator perhaps? Whatever it is, it seems to go very nicely with the D-54 Edgar horn mid. I've tried a few high quality tweeters in that position (R-2, Beyma slots & Yamaha compression drivers) and they don't seem to blend as well as the humble PR120 ...Dr Edgar seems to have chosen this driver well to compliment the D-54.

It's a 3/4" titanium diaphragm bullet tweeter. 105dB, 120W power handling! I have a pair which I'm going to put on eBay UK fairly soon, along with a pair of D54AFs.
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