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ThSpeakerDude88 28th July 2007 06:13 PM

Capacitor type for crossover
 
I have been running my 'maggie horns on top of my sansui's for about a year now. I recently redid the boards they are on. I was simply running them off of the main line with a 2.2uf np cap. I have found it to be a tad harsh and overbearing at times.

I don't have the time to order some high quality caps right now ( will later) so I need a quick fix. I found that 1uf works best for what I want, and it gives the high end a certain aireyness without being overbearing. I am going to go to the shack and get a 1uf np cap, but I want to know opinions on the following:

Electrolytic

Tulantum

Metal Film

I was thinking about going with metal film, what do you guys think?

Curmudgeon 28th July 2007 06:22 PM

Metal film, preferably polypropylene. Aluminized film second best. Some electrolytics sound soft, many do not. Unfortunately there are a lot of concerns beyond type; lead attachment being one.

It takes caps a while to break in (shouldn't but it does) so early comparisons can be misleading.

Tantalums are not a good idea at all; one of the few cap types that show easily measured distortion.

ThSpeakerDude88 28th July 2007 07:10 PM

hey thanks for the responce. I bought two 1uf metalized film caps. 250wvdc, gee thats a lot of wattage there :clown: Don't think my tweeters will be seeing more than 10 watts haha.


Anyways I am putting them in now, I will let you know how they sound, and try to post pics after I stain the bases for the horns.

cliffforrest 28th July 2007 09:07 PM

That is 250 volts DC!

Nothing to do with wattage or power. simply the maximum DC voltage across the cap before there is a risk of breakdown.

Not really relevant in a crossover.

dpuopolo 29th July 2007 12:37 AM

The quick fix to a nonpolar
 
The quick fix when using a nonpolar cap is to put a small value metal film cap across it. In a pinch, here are two caps that are readily available and offer excellent value and sound.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=family

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=family

Though I'm new to this forum, I've been a broadcast and recording engineer for over 25 years and have been rebuilding equipment for longer then that.

NagysAudio 29th July 2007 05:55 AM

I've been into audio for 11 plus years and I have heard dozens of capacitors. Everything from military specd, to audiophile grade. Ranging in price from just a few pennies to hundreds of dollars.

And the best capacitors that I have ever heard are Vishay. These are made in Germany by Vishay Roederstein to be exact, model number MKT 1822. They were previously know as the ERO capacitors. The MKT1822 is a box style timing capacitor, made out of metalized polyester. They range from 1000pF - 15.0uF and have voltages from 63vdc - 250vdc.

Most audiophiles will disagree because it goes against all audiophile grade logic. They don't have Teflon, copper foil, silver foil, polypropylene/foil design, silver leads, oil, etc. But what they have is what counts, absolutely stunning sound.

It is virtually vale free and grain free. I have never heard any other capacitor come close! They have incredible resolution and sparkle to the high frequency. The term "liquid" should have been invented for these caps. Plus they have the most un-electric midrange I have ever heard. The best part is that they are dirt cheap, a few bucks max for the larger values. And they work as well in speaker crossovers as they do as coupling or bypass capacitors in amplifiers, preamps, dacs, etc. Here's a list of just the few capacitors which I compared the MKT 1822's to.

AuriCap
Hovland
SCR Solen
Jensen
RelCap Audio Cap Theta
MultiCap RTX
MultiCap PPMFX
Russian Military Teflon High Voltage Types

omni 29th July 2007 01:39 PM

Nagysaudio, I got 4 of the Vishay MKP1837 caps.............I have not installed them yet, as I am in the process of tweaking my crossover with a few notches...........When I get to the point of finally bypassing, can these values be used on the midrange as well as the tweeter?...........Do they pose any potential problems for the safety of my drivers? {maybe a dumb question}. In your experience, does the difference these Vishays make come quickly, or is there a "break in" time for the difference to become noticeable?............Respectfully............... Omni

dpuopolo 29th July 2007 05:15 PM

I agree...
 
Vishay caps do sound good-and you can even find them in Radio Shack capacitor assortment kits from time to time. Here's an example of what he speaks of-five caps for $1.50. These caps are quite usable for bypassing larger nonpolars, filter design, DC coupling (though I prefer servos for this-opamps are cheap enough these days).

http://www.opamp-electronics.com/~op...oducts_id=1145

Roderstein also makes very good sounding metal film resistors that are also dirt cheap. radio Shack used to sell an assortment of them for a few dollars. Alas, they discontinued them a couple years ago. I built many projects with those kits.

NagysAudio 29th July 2007 05:52 PM

Hi Omni,

Even thought the Vishay MKP 1837 is of better construction (polypropylene vs. polyester), the MKT 1822 still sounds better.

However, the MKP 1837 will still sound fantastic!

What values do you have? You did not indicate that in the post. If you're bypassing, they should be about 0.1uF. This will not have any effect on the crossover slopes and your driver will be fine.

But if you bypass them with large values (anything over 1.0uF) this will change the crossover slopes.

As for break in time, well... that's a myth.

Norbert

omni 29th July 2007 06:42 PM

NagyAudio............They are the .1 uF value....The ones Tony Gee speaks of...........Omni


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