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Old 19th November 2007, 01:03 AM   #981
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While that is certainly true, it would be an interesting proof of principal if doing so changes the timbre, etc. of said instrument.

Maybe even make an improvement, as I alluded to previously. I'm well aware of the "unique" tonal characteristics and qualities of musical instruments, thank you.

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Old 19th November 2007, 01:15 AM   #982
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Anyone going to try to EnABL a trumpet, Sax, etc.? Sounds like working the boundary layer might reduce diffraction effects.
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Old 19th November 2007, 01:26 AM   #983
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Its actually possible to "choke" a speaker so much that it sounds like the musicians play false ... the same thing can happen to a musical instrument ... I suppose that when overtones are gone, so is the ambience and with that the "sound"
 
Old 19th November 2007, 01:46 AM   #984
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Anything can go wrong if not enough understanding during the application. But on trumpets and the like, I would think just a simple toothpaste test would be interesting which is enough to disrupt the boundary layer, but not effect the natural resonances of the instrument itself.
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Old 19th November 2007, 04:20 AM   #985
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"duh"; sorry John, didn't want to come off as a smart-***.

I'm actually in a position to test your idea. Give me a couple days and I'll give you some real feedback.
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Old 19th November 2007, 10:50 AM   #986
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thanks for the many answers, i think i understand better now what you want to do.

wouldnt an easier cure for the problem be not to operate a driver above the frequency where standing waves can occur? if the cone is smaller than perhaps 1/2 wavelength or so, everything should move in unison due to accoustic small size.
 
Old 19th November 2007, 11:00 AM   #987
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The paint soaks into the paper and changes the stiffness so it helps break up some vibration modes. The patent explains it well.

Ah sorry about that. i didnt want to start a fight about c37. it is obvious that painting a cone with varnish (is that the right word for Klarlack?) will change its stiffness. i mentioned it just for its esotheric kind of advertising. its just a good example for high end audio vendors selling normal ingredients with esotheric explanations, just like cables.
 
Old 19th November 2007, 01:57 PM   #988
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Having dealt with metal drivers under similar considerations and goals, I think the concept is valid both from a listening point of view and measurement point of view. I can't say that everyone can understand how to adjust the concept for precise application, but if one knows, then they know how to use it to get the performance they want. If you do more research, I'm sure you will come to similar conclusions.

I have not tried C37, but I think it may not necessarily be the best material for all applications. I hear that it has been used on some metal cones, but I have not enough data to warrent spending such money to try it.
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Old 19th November 2007, 02:26 PM   #989
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Another EnABL convert here. Recieved my FE207's last week from Dave at Planet 10. The white on black pattern is beautiful in the flesh, and the workmanship is awsome. I am reviewing the sound in conjuction with my new cabinets on the Curvy Chang thread, so wont go into detail here, except to say my views are similar to others that have reviewed the effect here, and unfortenatly once listened to I now find other speakers (ie my FE166's untreated) are almost unlistenable to, I used the terminology "shrieking Banshee's" which may seem rather strong language, but is in IMHO (and to my ears) an apt metaphor. It is hard to describe the sound of EnABLing as it dosn't realy have a sound but a lack of one. Even listening to some of my Beloved's CD's (she has taken over my listening sessions when she's been in the house), I am finding it hard not to enjoy music I wouldn't usualy listen to, and finding it easier to listen to music I love.
 
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There is not a "gradient" of usefulness due to driver construction, but there is one driver did not need EnABL's help.

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OK, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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