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Old 6th November 2016, 06:13 PM   #14341
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At the end of the day, it is all about the pressure exerted on your two ears over time. There is nothing magical about horns. Don't be fooled. Well-designed direct radiators can sound just as good.
Personally, I have been through the journey, starting with direct radiators, then horns, and now back at direct radiators, though of a specific kind
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Most horn systems being discussed here do not solve the more egregious problem of floor and ceiling reflections. Side-wall reflections are not a detriment to the sound; if you prefer to not have them, and it is really just a preference, they can be easily absorbed or diffused. Even Earl uses floor absorbers and ceiling diffusers to tackle the floor and ceiling reflections.
Thanks for reminding me of need for this acoustical room treatment. It will no doubt be essential for success when I install my horn system.
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Old 6th November 2016, 10:51 PM   #14342
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The ones I heard had the treble highly emphasized
About 3 dB too high, by my guesstimate. The exhibitors may have twiddled with the level during the show, since the Ionovac is self-powered (basically a shortwave AM transmitter that ionizes a few cc's of air). The temptation with any supertweeter is to turn it up a few dB so you can hear it do its thing. Not that different than turning up the sharpness control on a HDTV.

What I did hear was clean as a whistle (no apparent distortion or overload), and no issues from the vertical diffraction horn. I think the absence of a hard, reflective phase plug probably makes a difference.

Credit where it's due to the Wavelength electronics (source and amplifiers). Very transparent, dynamic, and with good tonality.

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Old 7th November 2016, 12:32 AM   #14343
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Ditto surround sound channels. They are usually up too high, so that you will notice them.
That's one of the first things you learn when doing THX or other cinema alignments.
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Old 4th January 2017, 07:42 PM   #14344
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Hi Lynn,
Seeing the beyond Ariel thread compelled me to pen a brief 'thank you' directed to you. Back in the early days of the Ariel I built a pair and fell in love with the sound. I had never really heard tube based HiFi before, nor speakers of the quality of the Ariels. Frankly, it all had a profound effect on me. After listening to the Ariels for a few years--trying different amps and pre amps, turntables, cartridges, etc. with them, I moved on to other speakers of various types--always looking for that synergistic combination that would totally enthrall. And, like many others, I lost my way.
In the last month, I went back to where it all started for me. I put the Ariels back in play, dragged out the monstrous W75 Allan Organ 6550 ultralinear amps modified to triode mode and am trying to get my Dynaco Pass 3x pre amp dialed in. Even with this 'work in progress' pre amp situation I am enjoying beyond description the sound being created.
So, just wanted to tell you how much your selfless contributions have given me so much joy.
Thank you.
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Old 6th January 2017, 05:01 PM   #14345
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Personally, I have been through the journey, starting with direct radiators, then horns, and now back at direct radiators, though of a specific kind
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Do you have pictures of your floor to ceiling array?
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Old 2nd February 2017, 07:50 PM   #14346
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Default New project along the lines of the BTA... or "the Beryllium project"!

Hi all,

I have just embarked on a new project... or rather, a substantial upgrade of my existing 3-way 'speakers.

Basically, I'm going to move to a beryllium diaphragm large-format compression driver AND a beryllium ribbon tweeter.

If anyone's interested, you can read the details in this thread and here.

Both links are work-in-progress... stay tuned for updates :-)

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Old 2nd February 2017, 10:02 PM   #14347
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Sweet horns Marco
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Old 3rd February 2017, 03:54 AM   #14348
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At the same RMAF that I met Lynn, some guy walked into my room, listened for a few seconds and claimed (loudly) "nothing worthwhile listening to in here!" That was when I decided not to ever do another Hi-Fi show.
I missed this previously, so sorry for the late reply.

If it was my demo, I would quietly ask the people in the room: 'Do you agree, folks?' Most, if not all, will probably disagree, and then that guy's credibility will take a serious hit (if any of them see him again). I bet he was a rep or dealer for a rival company. Either way, people would then look at him in a different light, and be able to continue enjoying your demo. I have reached the stage in my life where I don't let any silly comments put me off or irritate me. As Dr. Kent Hovind said, I 'eat the meat and spit out the bone'.
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Old 11th February 2017, 03:37 PM   #14349
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Hi all,

I have just embarked on a new project... or rather, a substantial upgrade of my existing 3-way 'speakers.

... stay tuned for updates :-)
All done!

Here's the finished 'speaker:
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And its passive crossover:
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The in-room response conforms to the "preferred target" according to Olive et al. (2013):
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Old 11th February 2017, 07:17 PM   #14350
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Nice work, Marco!
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