@ lduarte,
As already answered correctly, the DIGI-FP interface is indeed the board installed in the unit. It will interface fine with your CD player. If you don't need so 8 x analog inputs, the 4x10Hd will indeed be sufficient as correctly suggested already. No need for you to get a 10x10 Hd. You will still be able to perform Digital source selection and other tweaks from the front panel/IR remote.
Hoping this info helps.
Devteam
As already answered correctly, the DIGI-FP interface is indeed the board installed in the unit. It will interface fine with your CD player. If you don't need so 8 x analog inputs, the 4x10Hd will indeed be sufficient as correctly suggested already. No need for you to get a 10x10 Hd. You will still be able to perform Digital source selection and other tweaks from the front panel/IR remote.
Hoping this info helps.
Devteam
I have a question.
I have the 3 part board, DIGI - 4xminiDSP - DIGIAMP, driving a pair of 2ways
I wish to connect a few sources, Apple TV(optical), Tuner (Optical) DVD player (Co-ax)
Can the DSP handle multiple digital inputs?
Can it switch between one Digital input (appletv) and an analogue (preamp) without having to sync with a computer?
Is there a better way of running multiple input into the board?
Thanks in advance for all the shared knowledge.
I have the 3 part board, DIGI - 4xminiDSP - DIGIAMP, driving a pair of 2ways
I wish to connect a few sources, Apple TV(optical), Tuner (Optical) DVD player (Co-ax)
Can the DSP handle multiple digital inputs?
Can it switch between one Digital input (appletv) and an analogue (preamp) without having to sync with a computer?
Is there a better way of running multiple input into the board?
Thanks in advance for all the shared knowledge.
No problem to do source switching with a simple Break before make selector. You can read more info along with a simple diagram in the miniDIGI user manual:
- P3 for source selection
- P7 for analog/digital source
DevTeam
it doesnt , i´ve used it for 8 weeks and it works fine. What i would advice you to do is replace the optical cable for a good rca coaxial cable to connect to the dac
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This is really hard to answer (you asked: in any way...)
Theoretically there is possible degradation of the sound quality if you use a lot (say 40dB) of digital attenuation (by the way, also analog attenuation will degrade S/N / resolution), however as lduarte already said, practically it works fine and I also do not recognize any significant impact on the sound quality
Actually more important is to look at a good gain structure! In your case it may be better to use a miniDIGI to have digital input and use you DAC after the DSP (e.g. for high or low frequencies).
output impedance will not change depending on the output level (since attenuation is done before D/A conversion) and though 3kohms is quite low I would not expect any problem (output impedance of miniDSP 2x4 kit is 560 ohms). Maybe the output impedance of the balanced version is even lower (additional Opamps at the output for balancing the signal).
@devteam: could you please clarify?
best regards, Daniel
Very informative thread and subject. I've been looking for the best active crossover to use in my 3-way system, and as a tool for future speaker systems. I pretty much decided to go for the Behringer DCX 2496. Then I kept reading references to the miniDSP. Well my original decision has gone to shi*!
It looks like that's a good thing after sifting through all of the miniDSP information here and at the website. This will be my first venture into active and the user interface appears very well laid out and easy to use. I'm planning to go with the 4 x 10 hd which will be well suited to my goals.
I do have a few questions though.
1. Is a remote included or do I need to get a learning remote for it?
2. Is this unit capable of automatically adjusting channels for time alignment?
3. Does the 4x10 Crossover V1plug-in allow for displaying measurements with a microphone?
There are no deal breakers regarding my questions, just want a little heads up.
It looks like that's a good thing after sifting through all of the miniDSP information here and at the website. This will be my first venture into active and the user interface appears very well laid out and easy to use. I'm planning to go with the 4 x 10 hd which will be well suited to my goals.
I do have a few questions though.
1. Is a remote included or do I need to get a learning remote for it?
2. Is this unit capable of automatically adjusting channels for time alignment?
3. Does the 4x10 Crossover V1plug-in allow for displaying measurements with a microphone?
There are no deal breakers regarding my questions, just want a little heads up.
I want to know how the volume control works(if it just lowers the digital input that is bad!.. with a modded dcx you don't lose the resolution when u run the output down since it's in in the analog domain with the 3318 chipset..( ie rowland, coda, and other use this in their high end preamps) iuse a mix of high and low gain pro amps and consumer amps the dcx let me marry those easily enuff. until i see a noise test of a mixed minidsp with the volume control im gonna hold off replacing my behringer..
A digital control is not necessarily bad.....if gain structure in the rest of the systems is understood and well considered. There's a good article by "pano" right here on DIYaudio.com that will probably help to baseline your knowledge on these issues.
If only gadgets with an analog volume control are within your consideration, then you've narrowed the field considerably.
Cheers,
Dave.
If only gadgets with an analog volume control are within your consideration, then you've narrowed the field considerably.
Cheers,
Dave.
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I Understand gain structure quite well. I have been doing pro audio for 20+ yrs..
but if the digital volume control drops bits..or is pre dac the you lose resolution..
remember the first digtial tascam mixing consoles?
the digital volume control shoud be done in the CPU (ie foobar, Jmedia or any of the other aftermarket media players) or after the dac, in the analog section to maintain the maximum 24 bit word depth input into the dac.
again lowering the digital input is BAD!
lowering the bit level in the processor is good!
so how does the mini dsp work?>
but if the digital volume control drops bits..or is pre dac the you lose resolution..
remember the first digtial tascam mixing consoles?
the digital volume control shoud be done in the CPU (ie foobar, Jmedia or any of the other aftermarket media players) or after the dac, in the analog section to maintain the maximum 24 bit word depth input into the dac.
again lowering the digital input is BAD!
lowering the bit level in the processor is good!
so how does the mini dsp work?>
I Understand gain structure quite well. I have been doing pro audio for 20+ yrs..
but if the digital volume control drops bits..or is pre dac the you lose resolution..
remember the first digtial tascam mixing consoles?
the digital volume control shoud be done in the CPU (ie foobar, Jmedia or any of the other aftermarket media players) or after the dac, in the analog section to maintain the maximum 24 bit word depth input into the dac.
again lowering the digital input is BAD!
lowering the bit level in the processor is good!
so how does the mini dsp work?>
but if the digital volume control drops bits..or is pre dac the you lose resolution..
remember the first digtial tascam mixing consoles?
the digital volume control shoud be done in the CPU (ie foobar, Jmedia or any of the other aftermarket media players) or after the dac, in the analog section to maintain the maximum 24 bit word depth input into the dac.
again lowering the digital input is BAD!
lowering the bit level in the processor is good!
so how does the mini dsp work?>
miniDSP master volume control works in the digital domain. It is done after all the processing in the DSP (depending on the DSP 28/56bit int or 32bit float). I did some measurements and at -60dB THD+N isn't seriously affected. If you need more attenuation for normal listening levels your gain structure should be improved.
Extra simple idiots guide to mini DSP integration ??
Hello.. Maybe I need the idiots guide to miniDSP integration because for some reason I can not wrap my head around how to integrate the mini DSP in my home theatre / audio setup. I can't even figure out the best unit to use. I have read the entire miniDSP manual and then the entire REW manual referred to by the miniDSP, which only made my confusion worse as the REW manual doesn't even mention the DSP anywhere in the manual !!
My main goal is to balance out the frequency response of the main speakers and possibly the center. I have tried using the program built into the yamaha as well as the denon before it but it ends up sounding like someone threw a wet blanket over the sound. Kind of like it is forcing everything down to the least common denominator.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me:
1. The best unit to use for my application
2. what other equipment I will need. mic, plug in, 3rd party like REW ?
3. Where in line to hook it up.
Thank you for your input
Here is a diagram of my equipment layout
Hello.. Maybe I need the idiots guide to miniDSP integration because for some reason I can not wrap my head around how to integrate the mini DSP in my home theatre / audio setup. I can't even figure out the best unit to use. I have read the entire miniDSP manual and then the entire REW manual referred to by the miniDSP, which only made my confusion worse as the REW manual doesn't even mention the DSP anywhere in the manual !!
My main goal is to balance out the frequency response of the main speakers and possibly the center. I have tried using the program built into the yamaha as well as the denon before it but it ends up sounding like someone threw a wet blanket over the sound. Kind of like it is forcing everything down to the least common denominator.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me:
1. The best unit to use for my application
2. what other equipment I will need. mic, plug in, 3rd party like REW ?
3. Where in line to hook it up.
Thank you for your input
Here is a diagram of my equipment layout
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I don't see how doing the calculations in a general purpose CPU is different from doing them in a digital signal tailored processor in the MiniDSP. Reducing volume digitally before the DAC equals chopping away bits and it doesn't matter where it is done, the only thing that matters is what appears at the DAC input.
And using all 24 bits on input to the DAC is redundant anyway, the reason why 24 bit is nice is because you can freely chop away lots of bits without loosing information and not that you need them all at full signal.
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DUH FULL VOLUME.. WE ARE TALKING AT LESS THAN FULL OUTPUT LEVELS
I CAN INPUT 24/96 BUT IS YOU ARE PROCESSING 32 BIT YOU HAVE 8 MORE BITS TO USE
: doing it 1st thing in teh DSP makes no sense at all
scaling juts before I2S out is the logical thing to do
if not, you might lose dynamic ramge within the DSP, as you have to do all kinds of up.down scaling for filters etc
I CAN INPUT 24/96 BUT IS YOU ARE PROCESSING 32 BIT YOU HAVE 8 MORE BITS TO USE
: doing it 1st thing in teh DSP makes no sense at all
scaling juts before I2S out is the logical thing to do
if not, you might lose dynamic ramge within the DSP, as you have to do all kinds of up.down scaling for filters etc
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