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Old 25th September 2013, 10:25 PM   #1
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Default Alpair 10P vs A12P

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I am trying to decide between Alpair 10P and 12P. What I am looking from these drivers is a realistic reproduction of male voices like Nat King Cole. I am not sure which way to go. Any experiences to share?
Also I have to choose between MLTL and Pensils.
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Pensils are ML-TLs.

I have both (treated), but have not yet had a chance to directly compare them. If forced to choose without doing that, i'd probably go with what the A10p.

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Old 26th September 2013, 01:38 AM   #3
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If your listening room is on the large side, 12p might be the way to go, especially if you're using a lower powered amplifier. The Planet_10 treated 12p drivers are pretty sweet.

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Thanks Dave and Jeff. I have a small to mid size less than 1000 sq feet room where I am planning to use them.
I am looking for mid bass reproduction which I think contribute character to male voices like Nat king Cole. So a bigger diaphragm should be able to do it better? But when cone size goes up it also brake down easily with higher frequency. I have a Ff125wk driver which l like very much. Except that I am nt getting that warm male voices. It is a bass reflex box I made 6 months ago. I like it. Will Alpair 10 or 12 out perform ff125 wk?
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Will Alpair 10 or 12 out perform ff125 wk?
In a decent sized MLTL, no contest - even the 10 by a wide margin in my opinion

How much smaller than 1000sq ft? I have 3 spaces which I've used 220, 320 and just over 400 - the smallest is very compromised due to the long / narrow/L-shaped configuration. No surprise that the largest of these yields the most open and spacious soundstage, and cleanest deep bass.
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especially if you're using a lower powered amplifier
A10p measured about a dB less than A12.2p

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Will Alpair 10 or 12 out perform ff125 wk?
Handily.

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A10p measured about a dB less than A12.2p
Well, even 2dB isn't usually an issue unless you're running a flea powered SET amp, I doubt that's the case here.

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My room is about 500sq feet. I am using a 40Watts per channel cayin A70-T.I do not like to play music loud nor do I plan to use them for watching movies. The only advatage I was expecting from A12P was the smoother lower midrange(male voice). So that is not the case I guess?
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Well it sounds like power to spare, so the sensitivity difference is probably moot, and if you don't mind the larger enclosure size that the 12Ps need to fully demonstrate their advantage in the bottom end, then by all means.

To be honest, I can't remember any direct comparisons between the 10P & 12P to assess any advantages in the middle of the section of the bandwidth you mentioned.

any comments from the audience?
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