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Old 26th September 2013, 05:40 PM   #11
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My room is about 500sq feet.
That's a good sized room, I say go with the 12p. What about a slightly bigger box, the Avebury:

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To be honest, I can't remember any direct comparisons between the 10P & 12P to assess any advantages in the middle of the section of the bandwidth you mentioned.
Anybody in our area building 10p Pencils?

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Old 26th September 2013, 05:49 PM   #12
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I think that the A12P is a bit softer in the middle. It seems to take some of the edge off of badly mastered recordings. If you absolutely have to listen to 21st century pop stuff, pick the A12P.

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Old 26th September 2013, 06:30 PM   #13
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That's a good sized room, I say go with the 12p. What about a slightly bigger box, the Avebury:

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Anybody in our area building 10p Pencils?

jeff

I tried to talk Dave into that, but he felt that 2 pairs of FHXL, the Pensil 10.3 (different enough to not be interchangeable), Brines' M10A10, and at least one pair of MarKens for 10.2s was quite enough enclosures for that size driver at the moment. We counted over 40 pairs populated with drivers before any of the attendee's speakers at the August event, not counting 3 or 4 at my place, and at least a dozen of those were multiple versions of same design - like who really needs 4 (or was it 5?) different pair of FH3s? .

Of course, there will no doubt be drawings for MarKen10PT or some such nomenclature to see the light of day soon, but in the meantime I could simply forge ahead with the others anyways. I certainly have the spare time and could scrounge the materials


so the short answer is " not yet"
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Old 26th September 2013, 11:11 PM   #14
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I am not planning to make big boxes than M12-A12 or a small pencill. So I think Bob is suggesting for my purpose of male vocals, go with A10 (mid bit softer)?
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Old 27th September 2013, 02:14 AM   #15
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.... So I think Bob is suggesting for my purpose of male vocals, go with A10 (mid bit softer)?
Backwards. The A12P has a bit softer mid than the A10P, in one man's opinion.

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Old 27th September 2013, 09:42 AM   #16
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Sorry Bob.But is softer mid means a suppressed mid or smoother mid?I also read somewhere else in your post that A12P has dificulty handling complex music.
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Old 27th September 2013, 12:32 PM   #17
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Kinku,

The English language as applied to speaker performance is vague and inexact. You are asking someone else how your speakers are going to sound to you. I'm sorry for the abrupt cut off, but if you want to know how the A10P and A12P differ, you are going to have to spend some time with both.

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Old 27th September 2013, 05:16 PM   #18
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What Bob said - also very helpful if both speakers are in the same environment, which is not always as easy as it sounds. For example, Jeff & I are less than a mile apart, and have yet to get our enclosures with the 2 of these drivers in the same room.

Jeff, how's this weekend sound? - might have to be Sunday though, our dance card's rather full for tomorrow, I think
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Old 27th September 2013, 05:18 PM   #19
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No offense Bob, I am trying to avoid exactly what you recommend. Making both A10 and A12 just by collecting opinions. It is always better to experience anything and reach a conclusion. But most of the time conclusions can be made from majority opinion and it may work just fine. So I just checked with you to see what exactly you meant by your statement about mid response. If you do not know how to explain it that is just fine as well.As far as I am not paying you for your opinion it will work just fine for me. :-)
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Old 27th September 2013, 05:21 PM   #20
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Chris it would be great if you guys can do a comparison and post your results. That is another way of doing things.
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