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murio 30th October 2012 11:22 AM

Alpair 7.3 vs 6.p in a bass reflex design!
 
Hallo! I am looking to bulid simple bass reflex monitor for my small room 13m! And i cannot decide which one to buy. Did anyone heard them both. And which one will suggest. I am focused on neutrality and clean sound.

buzzforb 30th October 2012 12:07 PM

Both are good in close proximity. 6P needs help at any distance down low. The 7.3 is Mark's best driver, for near field(small room), and best overall if supplemented with woofer. 6p is cheaper and also good with app helper woofer. I have some 6p if you want them. A7.3's you can get from Dave @PLanet10 hifi or Madisound. 10.2 is best for pure FR

Just my opinion, having listened listened to most of the current MA range. EL70, 6P, 7.3, 10.2, 12.2

chrisb 30th October 2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzforb (Post 3220940)
Both are good in close proximity. 6P needs help at any distance down low. The 7.3 is Mark's best driver, for near field(small room), and best overall if supplemented with woofer. 6p is cheaper and also good with app helper woofer. I have some 6p if you want them. A7.3's you can get from Dave @PLanet10 hifi or Madisound. 10.2 is best for pure FR

Just my opinion, having listened listened to most of the current MA range. EL70, 6P, 7.3, 10.2, 12.2

+ 1

murio 31st October 2012 12:02 PM

Thanks buzzford! I am gonna go for the 7.3. In first place i was leaning for them!

chrisb 31st October 2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by murio (Post 3222332)
Thanks buzzford! I am gonna go for the 7.3. In first place i was leaning for them!


You won't be disappointed on your choice of driver

Next question of course is "which enclosure" - personally I've been far less enthused with any "conventional BR" , including a couple of well respected commercial products recently I recently heard ( Totem Arro and Hawk) than with QW designs such as Scott's Pensils, Brines' MLTLs or of course any of numerous Planet10's - most notably the "quasi-aperiodic" MarKens for small rooms

11opas 31st October 2012 05:22 PM

I would agree with that assessment... I own the Totem Arro's along with Alpair 7.2, 7.3, 6P. For critical listening, I go with the Alpair's every time. Although, for home theater use, dynamics and bass response the Arro's out shine them by a long shot. The Alpair's have that sweet midrange that the Totem's are missing, so for music, especially vocals, Alpair's hands down...

chrisb 31st October 2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 11opas (Post 3222674)
I would agree with that assessment... I own the Totem Arro's along with Alpair 7.2, 7.3, 6P. For critical listening, I go with the Alpair's every time. Although, for home theater use, dynamics and bass response the Arro's out shine them by a long shot. The Alpair's have that sweet midrange that the Totem's are missing, so for music, especially vocals, Alpair's hands down...


"boom / tizz" would be my short description of the Totems, and numerous other commercial multi-ways - certainly not without a fan base, but having been DIYing for over 10yrs now, and after a few years in the retail audio trade in a previous life-time, I find it hard to swallow the value of most retail pricing and believe that one could equal or surpass the performance for a small fraction of the cost.

The Arros I found particularly murky in bass articulation, 2 dimensional and lacking in clarity and focused imaging in the vocal range. Of course, I guess the demo started off wrong when the sales associate sniffed at my suggestion of playing Apple Lossless files from my iPhone since " if it's alright, I'd like to start with some things I know quite well" - his reply - " I can tell a lossless from a WAV file with my eyes closed ", then later " I've got over 3 tera-bytes of High resolution files on my system at home" - but the coup de gras had to be - "I can see pairing the Hawks with something like the Naim Pre-Power combo( I didn't bother to look) or perhaps that little Marantz integrated - you know starting in the $3000 range" -


no, this wasn't at the Junction

but back to Mark's drivers - for me there's something ineffably magic about the 7.3 from around 300(?) on up that the 10.s2 don't quite capture - for either a smallish room, or with help with heavy lifting, I find the 7s pretty darned special

caveat emptor, YMMV, just one idiot's opinion, etc.

planet10 31st October 2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisb (Post 3222753)
I guess the demo started off wrong when the sales associate sniffed at my suggestion of playing Apple Lossless files from my iPhone since " if it's alright, I'd like to start with some things I know quite well" - his reply - " I can tell a lossless from a WAV file with my eyes closed ", then later " I've got over 3 tera-bytes of High resolution files on my system at home" - but the coup de gras had to be - "I can see pairing the Hawks with something like the Naim Pre-Power combo( I didn't bother to look) or perhaps that little Marantz integrated - you know starting in the $3000 range" -


no, this wasn't at the Junction

Looks like i can have some fun when i go into Atlas.

dave

buzzforb 31st October 2012 09:14 PM

Dave's dMarKen would be my first choice, as it is highlights the strengths of the driver. We took mine over to my brothers house and mounted them on some nice stands of his with some nice isolaters and I was amazed how much tighter everything got. Dave has done his legwork and extracted the best of this driver in his design. If you are looking for more low end, go with the Pensil or MLTL. If yo want big sound, try to find a Scottmoose BVR to put it in. For me, its the Onken with some sort of woofer supplement. BudP is raving over Dave's woofer tower, but unfortunately the drivers are very hard to come by.

You will be shocked at the quality you get from this driver. Small room, listening nearfield, I could easily stop my speaker search. I am waiting for Mark to do the MAOP version.

zman01 31st October 2012 09:42 PM

+1 to what Chris and Buzz has already said - on the drivers and Dave's Mar-Ken cabinets. :)


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