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Old 4th February 2011, 12:43 PM   #11
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At normal listening levels when i'm home alone (not party volumes) i don't use much excursion at all at the moment. But i'd like some deeper bass and sometimes a little more. And more headroom, but it seems like i get much more headroom with Alpair 10.2.
My current sub feels "slow" and "dirty", not the same clear and tight bass as from the EL70. I'm afraid i'll have to spend quite much money on getting a woofer that plays as fine as either the EL70 or Alpair 10.2.

I hear up to around 18.5KHz, and yes i take care of my ears. Always earplugs on concerts and i prefer to listen to music at a level that wont hurt Enough is best

How do you think that Alpair 10.2 handles heavier music such as Meshuggah, Five Finger Death Punch, At The Gates and Mustasch? I listen a lot to that sort of music, but also like Norah Jones, Joe Bonamassa, Andy McKee, Diana Krall and those. I think my EL70 does everything well, but it can ofcourse be better.
Yes, you'll get more of much everything from Alpair 10.2 provided they go into a good cabinet. Pencil 10.2 would be nice if you have the room space.

Glad you use earplugs at concerts (wish I did).

Sure, 10.2's can handle the music you mention. Try looking for "Art of Noise" sometime (great percussion). As said before, don't go too crazy with the high volume, you'll get the results you want with a well balanced driver/cabinet combination.

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I'm having a field day with a bunch of bass heavy trip hop music like Thievery Corporation, Portishead, K&D and a bunch of other stuff on my Pensil 10.2. I keep the volume not too overly loud though. Some bass heavy tracks moves the drivers a lil bit too much for comfort.

That said, I'm totally enjoying the extra clarity and details that these drivers and cabinets are giving me.
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Yes, i actually thought of the Pencil 10.2 but what will f3 be at? And what about the sensitivity?

Edit: Regarding the room i'm not sure. I don't mind the size of the cabinet, i've had bigger ones but what do you think?
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This is what my room looked like a year ago. Nothing has changed, the speakers will stand on the same place probably and i sit in the blue chair at the computer.

And this is what it looks like from where i sit Click the image to open in full size.
I know that one speaker will stand pretty much in a corner and the other next to a door, but i can't change that

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Old 4th February 2011, 01:29 PM   #14
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Sensitivity is that of the driver. Back loads only function over a very narrow part of the BW.

F3 is largely academic as the room completely dominates low down. In anechoic terms, 45Hz, but where it is in practice is another matter entirely. Anechoic F6 & F10 are usually better guides to the useful LF extension.

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Sensitivity is that of the driver. Back loads only function over a very narrow part of the BW.

F3 is largely academic as the room completely dominates low down. In anechoic terms, 45Hz, but where it is in practice is another matter entirely.
Ok, and compared to the Mar-Kel70 what's the difference?
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I don't know what the LF numbers of that box are. It's apples & oranges though -different drivers, different box alignments.

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I'm having a field day with a bunch of bass heavy trip hop music like Thievery Corporation, Portishead, K&D and a bunch of other stuff on my Pensil 10.2. I keep the volume not too overly loud though. Some bass heavy tracks moves the drivers a lil bit too much for comfort.
as with any non-sealed cabinet applying a sort of rumle filter is a good idea to keep frequencies that the speaker cannot reproduce but will cause excursion away from it

@Rullknufs: is that amp I see a HK receiver? looks like the same that my parents have. if so, this one has the ability to separate the pre-amp from the main amp, thus enabling applying a DSP. With this you can filter your sub properly. What you do is send the output of the preamp to the DSP, put a HP filter (e.g. LR4 @80Hz) on your main speakers and that signal goes to the main amp. The subwoofer signal from the DSP will go to your sub (which I assume has its own amp). This is how I set up the sats (Alpair5, so I filterred higher than 80Hz there) at my parents place, I used the MiniDSP (see their section on this forum) for this. This will keep the bass heavy stuff away from the fullrangers and you can optimise your sub using the DSP so it will sound properly
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as with any non-sealed cabinet applying a sort of rumle filter is a good idea to keep frequencies that the speaker cannot reproduce but will cause excursion away from it

@Rullknufs: is that amp I see a HK receiver? looks like the same that my parents have. if so, this one has the ability to separate the pre-amp from the main amp, thus enabling applying a DSP. With this you can filter your sub properly. What you do is send the output of the preamp to the DSP, put a HP filter (e.g. LR4 @80Hz) on your main speakers and that signal goes to the main amp. The subwoofer signal from the DSP will go to your sub (which I assume has its own amp). This is how I set up the sats (Alpair5, so I filterred higher than 80Hz there) at my parents place, I used the MiniDSP (see their section on this forum) for this. This will keep the bass heavy stuff away from the fullrangers and you can optimise your sub using the DSP so it will sound properly

Yes, it's a HK 3490 stereo amplifier. I have a Reckhorn S-1 crossover thing hidden behind it. Right now i just have it connected but not doing anything with it since i'm not using the sub. Since i feel like i probably wont build any subs now it's like wasted cash, but who knows, i might have use of it in the future

I've actually planned on getting a Behringer Digital EQ, but i don't think i will do that either since i probably wont get any subs. Only a new amplifier (preferably tube) and the Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre-amp...

What is a rumle filter?
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What is a rumble filter?
a high pass filter with the F-3dB set to between 15Hz and 25Hz.
It can be 2pole but 4pole can also be used.

The idea was to keep as much of the bass content coming from the record deck and filter out the "rumble" that is created by a bearing that is not perfectly centred and/or is pitted and/or is dirty.
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a high pass filter with the F-3dB set to between 15Hz and 25Hz.
It can be 2pole but 4pole can also be used.

The idea was to keep as much of the bass content coming from the record deck and filter out the "rumble" that is created by a bearing that is not perfectly centred and/or is pitted and/or is dirty.
Ah, as i said i have my Reckhorn S-1 with a HP-filter between like 40-300Hz i could use.
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