free energy permanent magnet motor

jacquesl · 13th January 2007, 06:50 PM

Does anyone know how to build a free energy permanent magnet motor that can operate without my assistance?
I’ve tried some, did not work so well, so that starts to smell, and wont ever sell

Cal Weldon · 13th January 2007, 07:11 PM

If you are talking about the one with the cylinder on a shaft and staggered magnet pattern, I was involved in that 20 years ago. Precision of placement and magnet strength were inhibitors. It also required a nudge to get going.

Keep in mind that the power is not free as the magnets are the fuel source. The potential of return is the equivalent of the power used to produce the magnets, nothing more. Basically, it was a neat way to discharge the magnets. They are better used with a little power running through a coil to create a magnetic field. Oh wait...

frank754 · 13th January 2007, 08:59 PM

Once in motion, though, do the magnets wear out, or at this point can it be considered a "free" perpetual motion machine?

Cal Weldon · 13th January 2007, 09:20 PM

Eventually they demagnetize. Right after they have produced about 95% of the electricity needed to magnetize them.

KBK · 14th January 2007, 06:46 AM

I don't care how it gets here, or who manages to get it out..as long as it gets out.

http://pesn.com/2007/01/12/9500446_S...loyment_Plans/

Charlie Rose show video on alternate energy technologies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...58646892668334

jacquesl · 14th January 2007, 08:41 AM

This one uses gravity/momentum and the power of magnet to rotate.
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm

I’ve build something like this in the past but it did not had that many magnet and weights is it, but is did not seem to work so nice.

And does a magnet motor have the necessary power to generate electricity by rotating a dynamo

To me it seems that it will only have enough energy to keep it self in motion.

I’ll appreciate it if someone can prove me wrong.

Nordic · 14th January 2007, 09:05 AM

Noooooooooo. its actualy like flywheel... I love flywheels... its natures most efficient engine... consider someone throwing a discus, to someone putting shot (throwing that big metal bal).. same machine (the body), worked to max output... massive diffirence in result achieved....

ANyhow, the magnet engines I have seen tend to have more of a problem with keeping revs to an acceptable level for the bearings.... it just speeds up....

Are there any magnets in nature? - n.m. googled it... seems you get something called Magnetite.

Magnetite is different. It is a natural magnet. Another magnet does not magnetize magnetite. Magnetite rocks have been in the ground for thousands of years. Scientists believe the Earth's own magnetism may slowly align the tiny iron particles in these rocks.

Maybe these could be used as a source? I am not familiar with it... I guess if any mining is involved we are allready in strong negative return habitat....

SY · 14th January 2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Are there any magnets in nature?

If there weren't, how could a compass work?

Quote:

I’ll appreciate it if someone can prove me wrong.

Carnot did, about 200 years ago. The engine will always put out less than it takes to sustain its motion.

KBK · 14th January 2007, 04:42 PM

Ddin't he take on the name (rube) Goldberg in the 20's or thereabouts?

theAnonymous1 · 14th January 2007, 04:49 PM

Déjà vu?

Didn't this subject get beat to death on this forum already?

13th January 2007, 06:50 PM	#1
jacquesl diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lego Land	free energy permanent magnet motor Does anyone know how to build a free energy permanent magnet motor that can operate without my assistance? I’ve tried some, did not work so well, so that starts to smell, and wont ever sell

13th January 2007, 07:11 PM	#2
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	If you are talking about the one with the cylinder on a shaft and staggered magnet pattern, I was involved in that 20 years ago. Precision of placement and magnet strength were inhibitors. It also required a nudge to get going. Keep in mind that the power is not free as the magnets are the fuel source. The potential of return is the equivalent of the power used to produce the magnets, nothing more. Basically, it was a neat way to discharge the magnets. They are better used with a little power running through a coil to create a magnetic field. Oh wait... __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting

13th January 2007, 09:20 PM	#4
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	Eventually they demagnetize. Right after they have produced about 95% of the electricity needed to magnetize them. __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting

14th January 2007, 06:46 AM	#5
KBK diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Wilds Of Canada	I don't care how it gets here, or who manages to get it out..as long as it gets out. http://pesn.com/2007/01/12/9500446_S...loyment_Plans/ Charlie Rose show video on alternate energy technologies. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...58646892668334 __________________ "Never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream." -- Malcolm Muggeridge. "Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti

14th January 2007, 04:42 PM	#9
KBK diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Wilds Of Canada	Ddin't he take on the name (rube) Goldberg in the 20's or thereabouts? __________________ "Never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream." -- Malcolm Muggeridge. "Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti


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13th January 2007, 08:59 PM	#3
frank754 diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Once in motion, though, do the magnets wear out, or at this point can it be considered a "free" perpetual motion machine?

14th January 2007, 08:41 AM	#6
jacquesl diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lego Land	This one uses gravity/momentum and the power of magnet to rotate. http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/curtis.htm I’ve build something like this in the past but it did not had that many magnet and weights is it, but is did not seem to work so nice. And does a magnet motor have the necessary power to generate electricity by rotating a dynamo To me it seems that it will only have enough energy to keep it self in motion. I’ll appreciate it if someone can prove me wrong.

14th January 2007, 09:05 AM	#7
Nordic diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2005	Noooooooooo. its actualy like flywheel... I love flywheels... its natures most efficient engine... consider someone throwing a discus, to someone putting shot (throwing that big metal bal).. same machine (the body), worked to max output... massive diffirence in result achieved.... ANyhow, the magnet engines I have seen tend to have more of a problem with keeping revs to an acceptable level for the bearings.... it just speeds up.... Are there any magnets in nature? - n.m. googled it... seems you get something called Magnetite. Magnetite is different. It is a natural magnet. Another magnet does not magnetize magnetite. Magnetite rocks have been in the ground for thousands of years. Scientists believe the Earth's own magnetism may slowly align the tiny iron particles in these rocks. Maybe these could be used as a source? I am not familiar with it... I guess if any mining is involved we are allready in strong negative return habitat....

14th January 2007, 04:49 PM	#10
theAnonymous1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anonymityville	Déjà vu? Didn't this subject get beat to death on this forum already?

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