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[KBK]

so are the drunken! for the most part, differing substances, under optimum conditions, will open the mind.

Alcohol does nothing but shut the mind down. Quite physically destructive, as well. If I had to choose between substances or alcohol ceasing to exist on the earth, alcohol would be shoved into a dark hole 1001 times over with no hesitation whatsoever. I detest being drunk. I like the odd beer, most definitely, but the drunk part is difficult for me. Hangovers just slay me. For days. I fear the hangover far more than I enjoy the alcohol high. Even when half way to being drunk, I still fear it and hit a 'brick wall' where I will NOT drink beyond about 6-7 drinks. (I'm a notherner. Being drunk is defined as being somewhat conscious after the consumption of 20-40 drinks. Conscious being defined as a minimum of partial body movment, with animating noise of some sort. )

Then again, we are talking about abuse vs use.

And the guy who discovered DNA was brilliant. And when he did he was -very- high. Which means it's a general rule, that which you have stated. There are exceptions to every rule.

[anatech]

Hi Ken,
I do not get hangovers. That is a blessing and a curse. I've had alcohol poisoning twice.

Now I'm much older and immeasurably smarter than I was. I do not partake in any drugs (except what is prescribed) and extremely little alcohol.

Hey, I get perq's legally. I don't have any idea what the fuss is over them. They seem to be anything but a recreational drug. Oxycontin is another drug I get. Big woop. They do nothing for me in the happy department. If people take these for a good time, they are a very sad lot in my book.

-Chris

[KBK]

A certain line from 'all along the watchtower' comes to mind.

Different strokes for different folks.

[jlsem]

And the guy who discovered DNA was brilliant. And when he did he was -very- high.

That would explain his theory that the earth was seeded with genetic material by extraterrestrials. And you thought Intelligent Design folks were out there.

John

[SY]

For example, the guy who discovered DNA, was totally wacked on LSD when he did it.

Watson and Crick? Doubt it seriously.

You might be thinking of the guy who invented DNA amplification, Kary Mullis.

[pinkmouse]

Originally posted by SY
Watson and Crick? Doubt it seriously.

Don't forget poor Rosalind Franklin, she always gets left out...

Oh, and I doubt she was high either.

[SY]

No, she wasn't. She did the scut work, but it took someone else to realize what it was and what it meant.

[KBK]

Originally posted by jlsem


That would explain his theory that the earth was seeded with genetic material by extraterrestrials. And you thought Intelligent Design folks were out there.

John

That type of theory is correct as anything else, and entirely logical and valid, as a point of mental exploration, conjecture, etc.

Absence of evidence from an incomplete world view does not mean evidence itself. This means that the idea of a perfectly 'earth-centric' evolution is not the total view. It is merely an argued one. There is nothing that says he was wrong, and some evidence, the 'ignored' evidence as it does not fit the theory, that scientists who study evolution cannot answer - those 'posers' in evolution, if you will. If one is paying attention, there are grossly huge gaps in the chain of knowledge to 'explain' 'natural' evolution. It's all guess work and subject to change from emergent (or 'ignored') information, exactly like physics. There is only one fact, that there are no facts, all is speculation and theory. No facts. Facts do not exist. Merely an electrically based -physically and mentally realized- 'opinion' that they do. In essence, whatever that means. People have a hard time with that one, but it is essentially an excellent place to begin the idea of reality.

Hitachi Corporation's version of the double-sinlge slit experiments with firing single electrons through such appratus, succinctly prove the effect of the observer on the wave-particle duality, and it's place in dimensional reality.

One last amusing point on the previous threadjack:

In 1855, the president of Hohner, In Germany, recieved a letter with this excerpt within:

"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch and smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner Harmonica" signed,

Abraham Lincoln


So, back in 1855, the prez thought that the good things in life, might, just might, constitute the idea of sparking a phat blunt, and cranking the tunes.

Some things never change.

It was Crick who admitted he was on LSD.

[KBK]

For example, within the ltest quantum theoretical work, and much previous work, there lies the idea of FTL or remote communication of particles. String theory, etc.

Within the idea of what happens as the physical goes to electromagnetic (wave particle duality- singular to wave) lies a large part of what psychics claim of being 'obervant' of. Science meets the Magi. "Welcome home!" say the Magi. "You took the long way....and ended up here anyway."

As one goes under the effects of Salvia, for example, the world begins to fracture into 'wavelets', or something similar to standing between two mirrors who are not exactly parallel to one another. But it is not just visual, it encompasess all aspects of humanly realized reality. To scoot through the singularity (or crossover point) to the other side, so to speak. Oddly enough, all things in this so-called reality (what you read and think here, at this moment) that have an effect on the wave-particle duality, as addressed by the results of the Hitachi experiment, are wholly within, specifically within, the realized/reported phenomena reported by pshycics, of other realms of existence. All aspects of high end, cutting edge physics emerge there.

There is a downward and spiraling twist to the fracturing wavelet effect (in the onset of a Salvia experience and it's withdrawl)which replicates the right hand spin rule and is evidenced in results from photographic slides from impacts in particle acceleration. Also, this is found in the Parker Spiral centered on the sun.

And there are those who are willing to experiment, and bring things back for those who are too full of fear to go there themselves, for them to look at...and ponder.

One could re-phrase that old saw, and state that "Tree clinging' and 'singular particle' reality is for people who can't handle the multi-dimensional realization effects of some substances."

Like Crick did, for example. If one who was unable to make that 'reach' due to animalistic fear of the unknown and a deep seated monkey fear of change in their psychological makup, if that person or group was to know that Crick was under the influence of a substance that altered his 'state of reality', they would dismiss him, wholly, and forcefully, due to the mental state they represent. So he said nothing, at the time. Later, he did.

Hoisted by their own petard(s).

There are many scientists who have done the same as Crick. Specifically, when it comes to the new ideas, the wholly new ones. I'm not talking about refinement of ideas, but the raw idea of the very new, itself.

One can quite correctly argue that you are on similar drugs, at every living moment, and that Buddhists are attempting to and successfully embark on release, use, and control of those substances, which are already within the human body. Thus the scientists who confer with buddhists on their ideas within reality and quantum physics.

We are headed toward a powerful human singularity event, it is less than 20 years away.

This is one of the rumblings, one of the warning signs. The monkeys will fight it. The rest of us will embrace it. For it is coming, regardless of my or anyone else's opinion on the subject.

[SY]

It was Crick who admitted he was on LSD.

Not at the time of his DNA work that got him the Nobel. It was about 20 years too early for that.