Moderating

[jean-paul]

This is not my suggestion but somebody's from a sinbin which was send to me by e-mail:

>People in the sin bin should be allowed to post in the "everything else" forum. That is my only suggestion.

jwb<

Am I the only one that thinks this is a very funny post for some reason ?

Concerning the topic:

I invite a healthy discussion of what you, the members, envision as sensible moderation.

I think it is to early for that. Please wait till the storm is over and correct the actions with Frank. ( especially after his apology post which seems very sincere ) Credibility of moderation has fallen to a too low level because of the recent actions. Most opinions will be very coloured now by the topic that already comes up with different heads.
First take action and repair the damage. Changes can come afterwards IMO.

[Brett]

Originally posted by Peter Daniel
This would be a perfect place to move all unrelated to audio threads, pics and all noise. If you guys come with a good name, we will make it.

My other suggestion was that if someone might be able to chose it as an option and don't see posts on that board: like we choose audio, video, all.

Yes, probably a good idea, but it certainly should not be implemented until the current dissatisfaction with the quality of moderation here is resolved, otherwise it could simply be construed that posts discussing such are being swept under the carpet. All current discussions on this subject are clear from the title, so no one has to read them if they choose.

The name for the off-topic forum should also not be disparaging. For example at audioasylum they have a board called Whiners Woad, and any post that post moved there is tarred with the "whine" brush when it is often not the case. Something simple and generic, like Off-Topic would be best. Discussions about the running of the forum itself should remain in the Everything Else category.

Thanks for the opportunity to have a say in this thread Peter. I have a number of specific and detailed suggestions to post shortly, in response to your original post in this thread.

Regards

[BrianGT]

Originally posted by Peter Daniel
Brian,

That was my suggestion to moderators team. We couldn't decide on a proper name and somehow the topic died.

This would be a perfect place to move all unrelated to audio threads, pics and all noise. If you guys come with a good name, we will make it.

My other suggestion was that someone might be able to chose it as an option and don't see posts on that board: like we choose audio, video or all forums.

Why not just calling "Off Topic"?

As for people getting frustrated over this, if they don't like this forum, they don't have to populate it. It should just work out by itself. It is definately worth a try.

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Brian

[Austin]

There are several on the forum whose opinion I respect more than others, and it's not for the knowledge they have but for the way they present themselves. I don't do alot of posting, but I like to read and learn. Recently the S/N has gotten pretty bad, but I'm sure it won't last long, because none of us are here to complain in the first place. I'd like to name some names and describe some of the things they contribute to this forum so we can follow their example. Might I first add that I can't think of a post where I have seen one of these people participate in heated debate. My guess is because they realize it doesn't help the forum for them to do so, and they don't benefit in any way by doing it either.

planet10 has been a moderator for a while now and does a wonderful job of explaining his personal experiences and preferences in regards to audio. More importantly though, he encourages others to share their experiences. I remember several threads where Dave was sincerely interested in learning from another member's experiences. This may not seem like much, but an attitude like this is very favorable for a moderator to have, because it puts him on the same level as an ordinary member.

Nelson is another who gives much more to this forum than he could ever hope to receive in return. He doesn't criticize people for mistakes or belittle them for making mistakes in their projects. He OFFERS his opinion, experience, advice, knowledge, nothing more. If someone should choose not to take Nelson's advice, he doesn't get upset and force his opinion on anyone. Even the One and Only doesn't have an infinite S/N either. I specifically remember him joking about drinking beer in one thread a while back. This reminds us that we are not here 100% to talk about audio, but also to have fun.

Peter Daniel is another who has contributed much to this forum. He has the same encouraging attitude that Dave does, and also has shared his numerous experiences without forcing them on anyone.

Few outnumber these guys in number of posts. We should follow their example and promote learning and fun on this site. Also, as members we should be more civil in criticizing the moderators. The moderators should also be more civil in dealing with problem members.

This may seem like guidelines for the members of this forum, but in the end, the best members are going to be the best moderators and vice versa.

I tend to ramble, so I hope you could follow that and learn from it as well.

Austin

[Fred Dieckmann]

I think it is wonderfully funny and leaving the signature on it was pure brillance. I think if people took one hundredth as much interest in audio design as in "group therapy" on this forum we would have a dozen "Nelson Pass" types here instead of this place resembling the Jerry Spinger show. I will stand and wait for someone to throw a chair at me now.

ARRRR!
Fredenstein

[cowanrg]

being that my name was dropped, and i was the first punished starting this whole thing , i figured i would offer my 2 cents (msrp value of course).

i just think there should be more public involvement. sure, this forum is not owned by anyone here but jason, but without us, there WOULDNT be a forum. the street goes both ways.

for instance, in my suspension, i was accused of some funny stuff. i mean, telling people where to get porn? uh, the internet? oops. thats pathetic. i didnt TELL anyone where to get jack, i just just making a comment in sheer sarcasm.

then the other crap, "annoying someone", and "giving wrong information". maybe i DID annoy someone. well, i have been annoyed PLENTY in life as well as on this forum, but i dont go suing and punishing those people. and as far as giving the wrong information, come on people, it happens, i misunderstood and got my information wrong.

i could rant on for hours on why i was wrongly improsoned, or rather why i laughed more than i cared... but ultimately it comes down to the fact that i didnt give in.

i written apology was wanted from me to submit to the forum, apologizing for the general disarray. "?" eh? i basically said "no" (in so many words), and i was banned.

i say, the forum belongs to those who post in it. too many forums are plagued with too much garbage and more prevelant, very little traffic. both of these conditions are directly dependant on one thing. us. if we arent here, there is no forum.

so, to wrap it up, let US decide. i bet that of all the people that have been banned from this forum, none would have been banned given a popular vote.


more importantly (and harshly said, be prepared...), let go of your pacifiers, grow up, and learn how to use the ignore function. if someone bugs you, ignore them. dont make up posts about how your feelings got hurt. i dont care, you dont care, and frankly, it has nothing to do with audio. get over it. next... if something bothers you, one of two things is true. 1.) the person/thing bothering you will end up being taken care of by the majority of people complaining, 2.) you are living under a rock and easily offended. either way, the majority will make it through another day unscathed.
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[Fred Dieckmann]

I think we need a new group of trained moderators...... bin me baby, I've been bad!

[Peter Daniel]

'Sin Bin by Sundown'?

Fred, I always wanted to ask you that question: You wouldn't like to become a moderator?

[halojoy]

Originally posted by Austin
-See text above-
Austin and halojoy

I put my name under ALL that.
Because I couldn't have said it better.
Are you a mindreader, Austin?

[bob4]

Originally posted by Peter Daniel
'Sin Bin by Sundown'?

Fred, I always wanted to ask you that question: You wouldn't like to become a moderator?

Hmmmm, fortunately his schizophrenic side has been tamed, but on the other hand you could make a good deal, you'd get 10 moderators at a time!