Moderating

[nania]

Fred Dieckmann

I had a post that was really going to rip you new one but decided I will no longer be inflammatory. The fact is that all my claims were backed up with examples. I'm holding my hand out in a peaceful gesture on this one. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities in the future to make me look like an *** but this wasn't one. Don't be a sore loser.

[Peter Daniel]

Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
Have the personal attacks and Malicious intent parts been dropped from the the first forum rule? Do I have to spend the adressing every malicious accusation made in detail. Never with the acknowledgement that it was false or so hopelessly confused
that it bore little resemblence to what I said. These have been restated with the clear intent of provocation and libel after repeated attempt to straighten him out in some detail and givening him the option to say he misunderstood. Does my familiarty with the sin bin now allow me the status of being my own moderator in cases like these? Has criticism over too much moderation now caused the moderators to fear to do their jobs even in clear cases of violation of the rule below:


1) No personal attacks or bullying. If you disagree with what someone is saying, then present a mature and intelligent case to prove otherwise. Malicious intent will not be tolerated. What you do over private email is one thing, what you do on our forum is another.

I have tried (as well as others) in this matter to adress this offline to avoid the public bickering that Jason was told me he finds annoying. Perhaps some moderators with thick skin and no desire to be loved by all are needed. Do I have to apply for the position of moderator to get any results. The problem is not to much moderation but not enough. Or perhaps you also are waiting for an op amp preamp design from me as payment for the harrasment to stop as demanded by the member that you want to treat so fairly. Perhaps till's reference to Orwell is more appropriat than I thought.

Some Animals are Created More Equal Than Others

What exactly am I am missing in this case? I don't understand it at all. The same behaviour from me would warrent a one week stay in the sin bin that I would not even pretend to protest as just action by the moderators.


Second class citizen,
Fred

Originally posted by nania
Peter Daniel Nor should you have moved its entirety to Texas because there was and still is a pretty good potential project outlined in there but I could have lived with the threads calling me an idiot being put there Seeing that I only responded to JockoHomo after being called an idiot, and since his reply was an insult with no basis in fact, I would like to know the logic of this decision. It should be very interesting

All I can do to keep you both happy is send Jocko to Sin Bin for calling Nania an idiot and sent the "Fly me to the moon" thread to Texas. I wanted to avoid it, but things just can't go any other way.

Fred,

As to your preamp design, I'm not really intereted in it. I stopped believing you could come with a better design than me.

[jam]

Frank

Yes we did.

Regards,
Jam

[nania]

Peter Daniel

You don't have to put JockoHomo in the SinBin on my account. As I stated earlier, this is a time for reconciliation and when one fights, he should expect to receive a black eye now and again. I can live with the whole world knowing that JockoHomo thinks I'm an idiot and I think Fred could and should live with an example of what he sounds like when he goes on the attack and hopefully, in time, make him realize that there is a better way. The thread has a right to stand IMHO. Putting it there will look as though the mods too closely resemble the coward in jams timely pic.

[Peter Daniel]

That's a good attitude and I knew you were not after Jocko. I moved "Fly me to the moon" thread to Off Topic section, since it went way too much off topic. After few days, I'll move it to Texas. I also don't think you will pursue Fred anymore. He's a man of many talents, but flying you to the Moon is not one of them. I hope you understand what I mean. Do we have agreement on that matter, or is there anything else you would like to add?

[Peter Daniel]

Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann

What exactly am I am missing in this case? I don't understand it at all. The same behaviour from me would warrent a one week stay in the sin bin that I would not even pretend to protest as just action by the moderators.


Second class citizen,
Fred

Your attitude towards Kuei Yang Wang in local regulators thread was far from accepted standards and that triggered Nania's response. I completely didn't mind it, since straightening you out was actually desired.

[till]

Peter, i must give some positive feedback. this is much better moderating than sinbining members without a word to them and delete the posts without comment. I see it is more work for you as you need to read a lot and understand whats going on, and do a lot communication work. But it is more respect to the members and will have better effect than this old moderation style i criticized short time ago.

[Fred Dieckmann]

This is the first peace offering that I ever received that started with "I had a post that was really going to rip you new one..."

I too raise my hand in a gesture to you.... and one finger in particular. I will take no opportunities in the future to make you look like an ***. Your skills that are far beyond mine that area, and even I know to express humility in the presence of world class accomplishment such as yours, in this sport.

From this and your previous post, I am truly flatted that you took such heartfelt inspiration from the Mark Twain quote at the end http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...314#post182314 I never anticipated anyone embracing to such a degree. Again in this skill you fill me with what I can only describe as "Shock and Awe" in response to your fine efforts.

Peter, I thought the point of moderation was to prevent such exchages not inflame them. If a moderator has a problem with me come to me to talk about it instead of letting someone else get in the middle of it to make things. Jocko is not the one to to go to the sin bin. You sat are your but and let this whole thing get out of hand and still are dealing with it. this is The biggest case of double standards I have ever seen. Nania deserves twice the stay that Jocko does if Jocko deseves any at all. If the moderators had shown any spine at all, it never would have got the point of him having to stick up for me.

Perhaps you can put me in the sin bin as well. I would go gladly just to see a moderator do something, even the wrong thing.

For the record no moderator has Emailed me about any of this or responded to my Email on the subject.

[nania]

Peter Daniel

This is all going terribly wrong

What started out as a calculated way to give Fred a taste of his own medicine AND a door to legendary DIY greatness has turned into a fiasco. I sympathize with the pressure on the mods brought about by this situation. Fred Dieckmann and JockoHomo are both terribly important to the forum and losing them would be damaging but it is in these trying situations where we must summon our inner God and make the right decision. Hopefully, the decision will be one that will make Fred reflect on himself and not one where he can claim that he beat up on the mods until he got his way. Fred rarely gets his *** handed to him and it would be a shame to let this one shining example go to oblivion. That would be bad for the forum and to Fred's psychological development. Really think about this one guys, it's more important than it looks.

Fred, wouldn't it nice if people couldn't say he knows his stuff but...

[Peter Daniel]

Since the discussion that followed didn't have much to do with moderating, I moved it here: This is all going terribly wrong