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Old 16th July 2006, 09:18 AM   #1
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Question Old Wives' (farmer's) tale - drainage?

Hi,
a few farmers and keen gardeners have said that removing stones from the top soil will ruin the drainage. i.e. the top soil becomes waterlogged.

Is that true?

On what basis is that statement founded?

I plan to plant a grass lawn (not cannabis) and I'm removing the stones at the surface to give a nice layer for seeding. The top soil is quite sandy with much gravel and grit, almost no clay fraction and low fraction of silt.

Should I put the stones back in?
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Top soil is not the surface of the soil but rather a unspecified depth of below the surface before you hit the next layer down.

As you are just removing the stones etc from the surface there should be no problems - I can't see Glenneagles having rocks and stones all over the course!

The stones etc give the soil below some 'structure' which stops it compacting overly and allow water to run/collect depending on the climate.

Just rake the top over, tamp it down and lay your seed. You can add sand to the top surfece but it sounds like you already have.

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Hi,
I did not add any sand, I think the top soil I imported from an adjacent farm is already sandy enough.
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Old 16th July 2006, 09:45 PM   #4
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If your soil is sandy, I don't think you will have problems with drainage, possibly quite the opposite. More likely you need to add organic mat'l like compost, etc....to retain water.

If you are serious aboutr it, you may be able to ask someone at your local college horticulture department, or pay a small fee to have your soil analysed.
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Old 16th July 2006, 10:01 PM   #5
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The structure of the soil has nothing at all to do with "rocks" or no rocks
Soil structure has to do with the particles and the distibution of certain minerals (montmorillonit) and organic matter adhereing to that mineral "backbone".

I live in an area where the soils are basically clay, which is ok if you add alot of compost to create the proper soil status over time.
This then assure a well drained soil, nothing else. If you just add sand to a clay soil - you get loam, but still no drainage.

Remember - compost is always the cats meow for any soil.

BTW - I had studied agrology in an earlier life, so some of the finer points of soil development are long forgotten, but the basics are still there - and we created a fine producing garden with >12" of topsoil on top of the native clay over 15 years.
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nothing wrong with it, watching the wife taking care of the garden while sitting on the veranda, sipping a cool one and listening to some songs...
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compost is always the cats meow for any soil.
Absolutely, it breaks down clay and builds up sand. It contains humus which is the ideal middle ground. It adds nutrients.

Be sure to Ph test. You may need to adjust the soil, or choose an appropriate variety of grass.
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Old 17th July 2006, 07:52 AM   #9
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Hi all
I know that you are all being most helpful, although the neighbours might object to the music on the verandah but how does this work
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builds up sand
on a scientific basis it sound's like "alchemist's gold"
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Old 17th July 2006, 08:20 AM   #10
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I'm not the expert here, but here goes.

Sand is just soil devoid of nutrients. Good soil needs to have a crumb structure to retain both air and moisture simultaneously. Organic matter binds the sand by coating the particles with humus and creating crumbs. Good soil will form a ball when you squeeze a handful of it and will break apart when you drop it.
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