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Old 4th May 2006, 11:50 AM   #31
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Here's a fine example:





Is it?
I don't see any thread on Vendor's Bazaar, and even more incredible, not one single thread on Group Buys.
Probably they started the ecommerce site so that they had quantity discounts on PCBs for their own use?
Over and over again?
What I see is threads on almost all the tematic forums here, offering and discussing their kits.

Carlos,

I apreciate your concern, Here are a few important facts.

1) Brian and I sell only that which we have designed or those designs which are based on others work as well as ours and used with all the appropriate permission. You will note that if you look at the site and the PCBs themselves.

2) We are both currently opertaing at a slight loss. There is NO profit involved at this point.

3) Brian and I have both agreed that if and when we reach profitability we will open a VB thread and eventually get a banner.

4) All of the projects we are involved in have been developed with input from many people with many contributers involved, thus the long and very interesting threads.

Cheers!
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Old 4th May 2006, 11:57 AM   #32
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If the moderators police them in ANY way, then group buys are sponsored.
Couldn't disagree more. My local grocery store has a little bulletin board near the door. People tack up little ads for selling/buying stuff. 99% personal. Every once in a while, one of the employees will pull down a commercial handbill or notice for an "escort" service or pyramid scams. Does that mean that the grocery store has sponsored the remaining ads?

You still haven't answered my question yet, unless I missed it.
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Couldn't disagree more. My local grocery store has a little bulletin board near the door. People tack up little ads for selling/buying stuff. 99% personal. Every once in a while, one of the employees will pull down a commercial handbill or notice for an "escort" service or pyramid scams. Does that mean that the grocery store has sponsored the remaining ads?

That was not really an appropriate analogy. It's in electronic print somewhere that moderators have made financial queries into past group buys - that's a lot different from pulling down a handbill. Pulling down a handbill is much more like deleting a post with swear words in it. No explanation is ever going to be required of you.

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You still haven't answered my question yet, unless I missed it.
If you're referring to your most recent question of me in the moderating thread, I realise I haven't answered it.
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I wish that were true. You wouldn't believe how childish some people are about things like that.
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You've had all your questions answered (albeit not necessarily the answers you wanted!)
My last two posts in the moderating thread contained several questions that were completely ignored! To say otherwise is revisionism.

Anyway, I give up until next time. No one cares (relatively speaking.) Further discussion is only going to see me lumped into the group of malcontents without a voice.

BTW, I don't have an "angle" - I saw something plainly absurd, I pointed it out just to see how it would be handled. I didn't for a second expect a satisfactory explanation because there isn't one.
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I wish that were true. You wouldn't believe how childish some people are about things like that.
I meant in the sense that it was clearly against the rules. You could act without concern for an explanation. I know some will demand one anyway.
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I usually don't chime in on these things, but I want to add a couple points to Russ' post. Appologies in advance for the accompanying mini-rant. I agree with what most people are saying here.

1) My am currently carrying about $3700 on my credit card (at about 10% interest) for the parts for our kits. At an average of 5-15% profit per kit, I am not making any money. My credit card company is, I am quite sure, very happy with this arrangement.

2) I have inquired about a thread on the Vendors' Bazzaar, but have not heard back yet. I too am a little uncomfortable with the mixing of kit discussions with the basic circuit discussions in the main threads. Not overly concerned, but not at ease. If I was making money, I would definitely abandon discussions on the threads all together, unless asked specifically.

3) Russ forgot to mention that, in addition to permissions and discussions, we post the schematic (full) and board images. Russ often spends a lot of time creating alternate single sided images to make etching easier. When a project uses a PIC, we post source and compiled HEX.

I do this because I know many people (like me) do not have the time to etch their own boards, search out and buy their own parts, let alone build their own stuff. I have missed out on many great GB oppurtunities, and I know it blows. Our idea was, help people do do it any way they want. Use the design and make your own stuff from scratch, or buy a board and get your own parts, or get a kit.

My trade off is a) continuous debt b) no free time to build my own projects, even though I have kits and parts all over the place (I do not have a single project in a case, not one) c) occasional marital issues due to time contraints

The payoff is happiness from helping people, pride in doing something I am good at.

There have been several times (as recently as last week) when I have thought about ditching the whole thing to spend more time with my young son, and maybe making a case or two, or maybe actually finishing my own X-BoSoZ. Anyway, don't want to whine. I decided to do this.

For Carlos: Here is a link to the last Wiki GB I did: http://www.diyaudio.com/wiki/index.p...sa+GC+Parts+GB

If you've ever done it, you would know how much work it is, and how much of a PITA. Perhaps you feel diy should be relegated to only those who are semi-retired with lots of time on their hands, and with the know how to do everything themselves. I don't.
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If you've ever done it, you would know how much work it is, and how much of a PITA. Perhaps you feel diy should be relegated to only those who are semi-retired with lots of time on their hands, and with the know how to do everything themselves. I don't.
Brian, I am 36 years old.
Don't make me think how many years I have in front of me before thinking about retirement.
I too have a kid, a wife, a day (and sometimes night) job which consumes much of my time and energy.
BUT I manage to make the things I like, even if some can take long or be postponed due to lack of time.
What is important is: I've never got anything for granted, I usually do things my own way, and I'm not in a hurry for anything.
I also don't expect others to do my work or present me everything already done.
All the work pays off for the pleasure of enjoying the music.
Who wants everything done buys commercial gear, you just plug it and turn it on. No electronics knowledge is needed either.

I hope this message passes, because my posts are moderated.
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Pass it? Hell, I could have SAID it. Except for the 36 year old part- I've got underwear older than that.
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My only point there was no everyone has the time, or the knowledge, but still want a piece of the fun. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, back to the rules discussion.

PS: I'm 36 too!
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