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Old 7th February 2005, 11:36 AM   #21
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Different people have different skills. It's not a matter of respect or disrespect, it's a matter of priorities. I try to be precise in my writing (sometimes successfully, sometimes not), but it's not out of a sense of virtue, it's just my little hangup. I've seen some appalling spelling in first draft papers written by Nobelists.

I see what you mean, but I'm not entirely sure I agree. When it's a deficiency in ability, I'm prepared to accept it.
It's when it's just a disinterest in making sure what you write can be understood with minimal effort I get this Taliban attitude. If people want my help or try to make me see their point of view, they had better not make me work harder than necessary to understand what it is they're saying. My time may not be precious to them, but it is to me. That's what I mean by respect.

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Old 7th February 2005, 01:23 PM   #22
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wintermute, I was talking about the first sentence: you are missing a comma.

runebivrin, I disagree. While English is not my first language, I have been speaking it half of my life (and thinking in it most of that time).

I still make plenty of writing errors. When I took International Terrorism at my undergraduate university in Florida (ironically, only a few months before the 2001 attacks), the instructor, also working as an editor for the FBI, returned every single written assignment covered in red corrections -- even on the occasions she had also added "best homework in class." Still, I think just caring will decimate the horrid abuse of language we see in electronic communication. Making sense out of some of Henry James' paragraphs is good practice to improve one's grammar...
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Old 7th February 2005, 04:17 PM   #23
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The most offending mistake, from my point of view, is using "then" where "than" should be. These two words are not even close in meaning. It's disgusting that you people don't respect your own language.
Prune,
Growing up with a Mother (English major), forever correcting me has really rubbed off. What I used to hate, I now condone.

The ones that bother me most are the your and you're.

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Old 7th February 2005, 06:21 PM   #24
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Any other Native English speakers like to comment?
Seems fine by me.

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Old 7th February 2005, 07:26 PM   #25
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runebivrin, I disagree. While English is not my first language, I have been speaking it half of my life (and thinking in it most of that time).

I still make plenty of writing errors. When I took International Terrorism at my undergraduate university in Florida (ironically, only a few months before the 2001 attacks), the instructor, also working as an editor for the FBI, returned every single written assignment covered in red corrections -- even on the occasions she had also added "best homework in class." Still, I think just caring will decimate the horrid abuse of language we see in electronic communication. Making sense out of some of Henry James' paragraphs is good practice to improve one's grammar...
I have a confession to make: I don't understand what it is you disagree with. Seems to me we're pretty much in agreement on that as long as people really try to do the best they can it's OK.

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Old 7th February 2005, 07:50 PM   #26
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Thanks Dave

OK prune I misinterpreted. I assumed that your follow on sentence was still in relation to my post not a generic statement! That comma, I assume, should have been after spelling (i.e. after I realised the correct spelling, I associated it …….)

I think you are being a little bit picky. If the lack of that comma (which basically indicates a pause) makes my post hard to understand or read, then I (and a large proportion of other forum users) might as well give up right now.

Commas are another thing that I'm not strong on!

I don't think that it is necessarily that people don't care (although I'm sure that is a factor in some cases). Why do you think that proof readers exist? It is because people often can't see their own errors.

The brain tends to filter things in such a way that people read what they intended to write not necessarily what they actually wrote.

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Old 7th February 2005, 09:54 PM   #27
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I just have to ask the present expertise:

Why is it that the word definitely seems to be the hardest word in the English vocabulary to spell.
Favorite spelling by far appears to be definately, but I have also seen deffienetly, defiantly, deffinitly and even dafiniteley.

Strangely, it seems that non-Anglo Americans do far better on this particular word.

It's starting to get on my nerves!

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Rune, have you tried any online dictionary?
This is good, has even words in swedish!
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/
I like that they have good examples for each word. This is useful for somebody who is not good at the language in mind.
http://www.websters-online-dictionar...ion/definately
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Old 7th February 2005, 10:26 PM   #28
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Still, I think just caring will decimate the horrid abuse of language we see in electronic communication.
Here is an example of widespread misuse causing a change in the official meaning of a word. From Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: dec·i·mate
Pronunciation: 'de-s&-"mAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -mat·ed; -mat·ing
Etymology: Latin decimatus, past participle of decimare, from decimus tenth, from decem ten
1 : to select by lot and kill every tenth man of
2 : to exact a tax of 10 percent from <poor as a decimated Cavalier -- John Dryden>
3 a : to reduce drastically especially in number <cholera decimated the population> b : to destroy a large part of <firebombs decimated large sections of the city>

The meanings in entry three are comparatively recent and result from common misuse.

New words are formed this way, too. The shortening of "orientation" to form "orientate" when the perfectly good verb "orient" already exists is an example that has climbed into common usage. This still drives me up the wall, but it's now in the dictionary. What's next? "Relaxate" for "relax"?

My biggest pet peeve is "loose" for "lose", but this doesn't cause any problems. Think of how many back and forth misunderstandings could be saved in this forum if everyone could communicate precisely - especially the technical details!
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That comma, I assume, should have been after spelling
ARRRGH!!!
Oh man, three times you try and fail to guess what it was.
OK, now look at the two sentences I just wrote (counting this one). Where is the comma? I hope you see your mistake now.
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Old 8th February 2005, 06:41 AM   #30
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ARRRGH!!!
Oh man, three times you try and fail to guess what it was.
OK, now look at the two sentences I just wrote (counting this one). Where is the comma? I hope you see your mistake now.

Well I have better things to do with my time than play this silly game. Do you not see that I inserted extra commas on purpose in that post, have you not heard of irony£¿

I still can't see what is wrong with the original post, and I don't really care. If something so petty (an@l?) upsets you then I really feel for you, as you must cringe every time you pick up a newspaper or magazine.

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