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Old 8th November 2004, 11:46 PM   #1
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Default Void the election results: is it possible at all?

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I've read dozens of submissions about election anomolies in the last week and they show no sign of slowing so I've decided to post a few of the main ones here to let you all discuss them. The first is the Common Dreams report that shows that optically scanned votes have a strange anomoly in florida: the Touchscreen counties roughly matched up to party registration numbers, but optically scanned paper ballot counties showed strangeness like one county where 69.3% registered democrat, but only 28% of them voted for Kerry. Palm Beach County, Florida logged 88,000 more votes than there were voters; that machines in LaPorte, Michigan discounted 50,000 voters; in Columbus, Ohio voting machines gave Bush an extra 4,000 votes; in Broward County, Florida voting machines were counting backwards; Lastly, precincts in New Mexico gave provisional ballots that will never be counted to as many as 10% of all their voters.
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hxtp://politics.slashdot.org/politics/04/11/08/1910250.shtml?tid=103&tid=219

Let's just assume the reports are right, and somehow someone can prove that in at least 2 key states the results were manipulated. Would it be possible at all to void the results?
 
Old 9th November 2004, 01:32 AM   #2
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I am no constitutional scholar, but I would guess it would be posssble to void the results up until the Electoral College actually votes sometime in December or January.

Whether they actually would do so is another matter. I think it would take a lollapalooza of a revelation for it to happen.
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Old 9th November 2004, 03:26 AM   #3
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Remember Kennedy, 1960, Chicago...
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Old 9th November 2004, 04:32 AM   #4
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Remember Kennedy, 1960, Chicago...
Which changed nothing.

It is a conservative shibboleth that Kennedy "stole" the election of 1960, due to Mayor Daley of Chicago's (Illinois) rather....ummm....peculiar dealings with vote counts in that city.

The facts: Daley probably DID rig the vote counts. But it made no difference as to who became President.

In 1960, Kennedy won the Electoral College, 303 votes to 219 to Richard Nixon.

Illinois had 27 Electoral votes.

If Daley had not "fixed" Illinois and it went to Richard Nixon instead, the Electoral College vote is:

Kennedy: 276
Nixon: 246

Kennedy wins anyway.

I am not condoning Daley's behavior. Just pointing out that it made no difference. Kennedy wins in 1960, Daley or no Daley.

http://www.archives.gov/federal_regi...1957.html#1960
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Old 19th April 2005, 02:43 AM   #5
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George Bush makes me nauseous, I can't believe they got away with "stealing" two elections in a row.

"if it smells like **** it's probably ****" the evidence that GW lost BOTH elections is overwhelmingly clear

Thank goodness he can't run again I guess.

I live in Ohio and it seemed quite clear that Kerry was going to win this state, much to my surprise.
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Old 19th April 2005, 12:34 PM   #6
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The damage is extreme--and already done.

If a democrat wins the election in 2008, they are very unlikely to remove all the garbage the GW Jr. pushed through. The man's practically got a rubber stamp instead of a signature, for all the special bills he has to sign every day.

Now, to have these 'quickly signed into effect' bills (can be as many as 20-40 a day!!!) shut down and removed from effect..they have to be individually reviewed.

And that can never be done as there isn't enough time in the world for that.

So all the 'garbage' that a given president may 'push through' when abusing the power of the Offal Office, with that signing capacity... usually stand, even if it disagrees completely with the 'agenda' of the incoming president. He has only enough time to sit there and sign his OWN garbage into effect. (while drinking his morning coffee).

It is my understanding that the US is STILL legally under a 'state of war', (state of emergency) as it has been continually signed and extended since Jimmy Carter did so during the original "Iran crisis" of 1979-80. Supposedly, every president since then has kept the US in a "state of emergency". This suspends democratic rights (even though they are still 'going through the motions' of democracy). But...this allows the US Oval Office or the presidency, to push through bills, plans and agendas that have --no-- reason of any kind -legally or otherwise- to be reviewed or looked at by ANYONE. This allows complete clandestine behaviour to be practiced by --each and every-- incoming president. Ie, dictatorial powers. Hidden from the public view and understanding.

Now, whether this is true or not, about the state of emergency still being in effect, as they are only allowed, by law, to exist for a given state of time, and must be extended by re-signing or extending the measure, by the president..tagging along on the original stated reasons, from back in 1980!!!.... I leave it up to you to investigate and find out.

This is my understanding of what goes on. Maybe you have better information on this particular aspect of the bizarre doings/capacities of the US presidential system. And how badly it is abused. Ie, the quiet and little known dictatorial condition that the US Oval Office exists in, right now. If they stay below the radar of the general public, there is no telling what they can get away with.......as there is ZERO accountability in that little known but incredibly alarming situation. IE, something along the lines of---CIA black ops with personal (and private!!) agendas, gone completely mad, with zero accountability. As long as it stays out of the 'general public' view.. no-one would be the wiser, or.. to put it in better terms, no-one would believe it to be true. Who would believe that their own 'democratic leaders of the free world' government would do such things? (sarcasm is deeply intended)

Very little real news is seen by the general US population, insofar as what their government is doing in global terms, or even within the country (USA) itself. The rest of the world has no agendas in terms of hiding such information or trying to 'flavor' or 'shape' the news that people see. We see the US in all of it's incredibly alarming and bizzare-psychotic behaviour, with no punches pulled. This news CAN be accessed by the US general public, if desired, but a very alarming few choose to do so, especially in a US environment where the word 'liberal' has become a dirty word, which in itself is frightening....... to say the least. Since when has caring about the life of your neighbour and his family become a bad thing?

I mean, how much garbage does the 'news' have to shovel when it is media driven like that, before you folks in the US learn to shut that garbage off and consider the REAL conditions that the US exists as?

And that's just one tiny bit of the dangerous situation that exists in the US today. The shape of this story has been played out through history many, many, many times,and the results have always been the same. Very nasty and ugly ends.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by KBK
The damage is extreme--and already done.

If a democrat wins the election in 2008, they are very unlikely to remove all the garbage the GW Jr. pushed through. The man's practically got a rubber stamp instead of a signature, for all the special bills he has to sign every day.

Now, to have these 'quickly signed into effect' bills (can be as many as 20-40 a day!!!) shut down and removed from effect..they have to be individually reviewed.

And that can never be done as there isn't enough time in the world for that.

So all the 'garbage' that a given president may 'push through' when abusing the power of the Offal Office, with that signing capacity... usually stand, even if it disagrees completely with the 'agenda' of the incoming president. He has only enough time to sit there and sign his OWN garbage into effect. (while drinking his morning coffee).



Wow!......It's all I can think of to say.....

To think and/or beleive, as you do, in this day and age......Well I am without the words to discribe how crazy your statement(s) are.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by KBK
It is my understanding that the US is STILL legally under a 'state of war', (state of emergency) as it has been continually signed and extended since Jimmy Carter did so during the original "Iran crisis" of 1979-80.

Oh Yes!

And World War II was a fake, so were the Apollo Moon landings, Elvis's death, and that AlGore didn't invent the Internet & PB&J "Sammich'es".

Take off the tin-foil hat and step away from the X-file re-runs PLEASE!



[QUOTE]Originally posted by KBK
Very little real news is seen by the general US population, insofar as what their government is doing in global terms, or even within the country (USA) itself. The rest of the world has no agendas in terms of hiding such information or trying to 'flavor' or 'shape' the news that people see. We see the US in all of it's incredibly alarming and bizzare-psychotic behaviour, with no punches pulled. This news CAN be accessed by the US general public, if desired, but a very alarming few choose to do so.


Again, with the advent of "AlGore's" wonderful invention "The Internet", information on everything, and from everyone, is available to EVERYONE!

The "Old Guard" Press, (IE: ABC,NBC,CBS, Newspapers, Etc.) have lost their Liberal stronghold on U.S. viewer/readers. The advent of "On-Line" and alliterative news sources have, basically, sounded their collective death bell.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by KBK
especially in a US environment where the word 'liberal' has become a dirty word, which in itself is frightening....... to say the least. Since when has caring about the life of your neighbour and his family become a bad thing?


I too think liberals are frightining!
Who in their right mind would give away the very control over their own lives, to people who can't even run their's?

And for the 1,000,000th time.....Caring about your neighbor(s) and absolving them of all responsibility, choice, and freedom in the what/where/why of their lives & country, are TWO VERY DISTINCT THINGS!

Conservatives believe that We(You) are responsible for you and Your life, and therefore it's consequences.
We still believe in helping those who Really need it, but We want to fix the problem(s) not just patch the holes after they appear. The old proverb of "giving a man a fish feeds him for but one day, but TEACHING him to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime.

Liberials on the other hand, want to play "Nanny" for ALL...Cradle to Grave.

"Give us all of your money...No! More!.....Now don't think, We will handle everything......No! We know The last "program" didn't work or help, and it cost 10x what is was supposed to, but Our intentions were in the right place! We just need more/better Programs/money and it will all work out!......Trust Us!...Have we ever lied to you in the past (40+years)???? What! Why you ungrateful! ^$*(*()%$*()%.......Raciest/homophobe/warmonger!
You are just against the >Little Guys<...What! no You are NOT a >Little Guy<....You are a tax payer!.......WORK HARDER!


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I mean, how much garbage does the 'news' have to shovel when it is media driven like that, before you folks in the US learn to shut that garbage off and consider the REAL conditions that the US exists as?

And that's just one tiny bit of the dangerous situation that exists in the US today. The shape of this story has been played out through history many, many, many times,and the results have always been the same. Very nasty and ugly ends.

Ah, Yes!....At last!........"When will you butt-heads in the USA understand that people around the world don't need to be free/safe/fed/dry/housed/Blah!,Blah!,Blah!"

I used to get confused when I was younger, as to why anyone would doubt what We do on a yearly basis for the world.

Who usually leads the world in Giving aid to countries? The USA.
Who usually leads the world in disaster relief? The USA.
Who's industrial strength made the difference in WWII? The USA.
Who is the largest (By Far) in Money/Forces/Equipment given to the UN for it's operational budget? The USA.
Who Does the WORLD usually turn to WHENEVER there is trouble ANYWHERE????? Yep the good old USA.

Yes, We are doing what we think is right.....It's what We've done in the past, It's what we will continue to do in the future.

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Old 5th May 2005, 06:31 AM   #8
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Do what is right? ...I wonder if ol' GW and his Congress will do anything about the human tsunami from the south? I'm refering to those criminals who break our laws by illegally entering our country. Try to illegally enter Mexico...you would probably be shot. You certainly won't recieve any social benifits. Try to enrole your child in shcool down there. Enter the US illegally and our taxpayers will buy you medicine, social security and educate your children AND give you a welfare check. So what is becomming of the PRIVELAGE of US citizenship? I'm a citizen and I have to pay for my medicine and education. I'm still paying for my education. this means I must be paid more for my work or else live on the street and starve...even with a job. You can't have a free country that is half socialist. Someone must flip the bill. No wonder they work for nothing. I believe it to be very unfair to ALL citizens not to prosecute, i e deport all illeagals. If those same people immigrate legally, that is just fine and dandy. But return illegally, personally I think they should reopen Alcatraz like it was originally buit. When it is full, I'm sure we could find another island to take out the trash. Legal Mexican immigrants are also hurt greatly by these people who cheat. Maybe then we could better control the illegal drugs that move across that border.

Actually, the problem is with the Mexican government and GW's bestest pal, prez Fox and his crew of cronies. I think maybe the drug issue applies here in some way. It's not like Mexico dosn't have wealth. Lots of natural resources in Mexico including lots of people willing to work hard. If that country's social and governmental policies were changed, it could no doubt be one of the richest countries in the western hemisphere instead of dumping its problems and garbage on the US and complaining about poverty and how it's someone elses fault.

I heard a good idea, I think it came from Micheal Savage. How about oil for amnesty? There is plenty of oil in Mexico. At least then "illegals" who whould then be "legals" would have to pay taxes like the rest of us do and a small reduction of fuel costs might spur the economy to handle the extra stress of providing civil services for these people. Sad to say right now there is more wealth flowing out of this country then flowing in, even with a depressed US dollar. Of course this doesn't thrill the "Euro's".
But then I am not as interested in them.

Somehow I think George wants to just give away citizenship for votes. AAAAHHHHHHH POLITICS

Just another way the people in power can vote themselves super shares of the public purse. Don't think we can expect much difference out of either party. Welcome to democracy...well...maybe a benign oligarchy.

Oh well might as well just have a or two and just get on with life.
 
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Perhaps, if the US wasn't so keen on employing 'illegals' and using drugs then there would not be such a large demand for both 'products'.
 
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It's what we will continue to do in the future.

Tall Shadow

So long as the rest of us keep extending your credit, that is.
 

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