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Old 29th October 2004, 07:31 PM   #1
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The WinTV PVR-250 can be had for $80 after mail in rebate right now. Does a lot of encoding/decoding in hardware.

I've had a bad experience with msi and won't by their products again (kt3 ultra2 motherboard is VERY unstable, even with bios updates and such. Sometimes it won't post and just beep until I power it down and start it back up. ti4200 card had to be replaced about 9 months after I bought it ("pink screen of death" like Gainward's cards). 48x CDRW started having problems reading cd's (lenses are clean) and even opening the tray about a year after bought). Bought all at once 2 years ago.

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Old 29th October 2004, 10:27 PM   #2
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SGSeeker...unfortuneate about the msi motherboards have had 2 of them personally and built 3 computers for friends using the ultra motherboard, aside from a faulty northbridge fan on one (which supplier replaced immediately on the spot) they have run without dramas. Mine runs a pretty high overclock http://pcdb.overclockers.com.au/view...iLLY&page=pics
( i have changed to Epox since my computer was added to the OCAU data base) too and for a cheap viachipset board they do stand up to it rather well.

As for msi graphics cards i have had 2 of these and again no dramas at all

Want drams go for Epox lol...fantastic boards if you can get one that doesn't have manufactures fault to start wiith lol

Maybe you were just plain damn unlucky SG lol
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Old 29th October 2004, 11:28 PM   #3
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I'm sure its just bad luck on my part. My dad had the first Ultra and when I went to visit, we tried to get his audio software to function properly with his Layla cards...it was never possible to get all 24 channels working on that motherboard. Switched boards, worked fine.

My board has so many problems even running at 166MHz fsb now. It used to get up around 190 without issue (although I never ran it higher than 166 since the tbredA cpu just sucked, period.)

I've loved epox boards ever since my Super7-based board back in the day. It was more stable than my BP6 (BX chipset) which was extremely solid anyways. Abit and MSI are on the bottom of my list now, next to value brands.

Back to the topic, I think anything that isn't a no-name brand should do what most people want out of their computer. Some people have higher expectations though and spend $500+ on video tuners. I don't think a vga box or tuner will help THAT much if your panel is 640x480 native. I have a cheap panel sitting in a case that is 640x480 native and using rca/svideo input, the image fills up nearly the entire panel. Another other "enhancements" you find from a converter is most likely artifacts that weren't in the original signal - brightness, gamma, contrast, color settings, etc. That is, unless the controller built into your panel does a poor job of receiving the signal in the first place
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Old 30th October 2004, 12:10 AM   #4
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To be honest your pushing it to get anything over 190FSB on the ultra board if your not using 400 speed ram and that on the msi boards is a downside as far as brand types of 400ddr it will accept and run at full speed....all a bit off topic just thought i would ad ma two cents worth lol

Im looking into a TV EXCEL VP-3020C Hi-Definition Digital TV Tuner Capture Card http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....132116474&rd=1

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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....131088046&rd=1

Was hoping somebody on the forums might have some input on the performances of these cards, I have read several reviews on the excel and it seems to perform adequately however i take most reviews with a grain of salt and a little sceptisim from past experiences of products reviewed and i have in turn purchased only to find they didnt live up to the high expectations i had for them after reading reviews on the component
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Old 30th October 2004, 02:30 AM   #5
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been using hyperx pc3500 with BH-5 chips for awhile, its quality stuff. Originally I thought maybe my antec 300w psu was the culprit (being that it was like 5 years old) since the rails that the motherboard uses the most power from were the weakest rails on the psu, but my trupower 430 fixed nothing. Now I'm stuck running the motherboard at 133MHz and even that isn't as stable as past systems have been.

temperature isn't an issue - it acted the same when I was watercooling it with the heatercore external of the case. Running the processor at stock has done nothing. Trying to change ram (samsung pc2700), cpu (old duron), and videocard (old gf2) has done nothing to help stability.
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Old 30th October 2004, 03:29 AM   #6
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I dont have a msi manual handy atm..but it does list ram compatibility in back of it...if yours aint on the list i wouldnt put the slightest faith in it running at full speed...that said...133 is shamefull for sure, i gather you have played with ram timmings already and loosened them up. Something definately array there bud... sounds like you have done the right thing trying different components and concluding the MB is the culprit seems logical...pitty matey again unlucky i would guess :-(

I had mine stable around 191FSB with 11 multi using pc2700 ram.... moved to an epox board with nforce chipset after that...boots ma XP2500 unlocked barton straight up with 210fsb so pretty happy with that...temps idle 28 load 33 :-p
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Well if things must stay off topic buy asus, i have always bought them and never had a problem, both in vid cards and mobo's

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Old 30th October 2004, 06:14 AM   #8
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Asus just works...thats my opinion on them

They used to have less features but now its far from true. My favorites now-days are epox, asus, iwill, gigabyte, and shuttle - not in any specific order.

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I think we answered gofishn's questions. I'd just go with a scan converter(vga box) if you have no need or want to record onto your computer.
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Yeah have to agree with ya there too Trev i aint had a problem with any asus boards or gfx cards i have had...bows to 64bit amd :-p ... still i have pies :-p

Anyone give me some input on the capture cards i mentioned a couple posts back?
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Default Computer Componets, which is the best value for money and the most reliable!!!

Heya Guys, ive made this thread to split off another thread in the Video area discussing Computer componets. Please feel free to add your experiences with your Computer Hardware and what you find is the "Best Value for Money vs Performance".

This is not another PC vs Mac thread .

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