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Old 7th July 2004, 02:06 PM   #11
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Well I don't quite know what Millwood is trying to do here. Perhaps it's mis-placed patriotism. By rubbishing competition he is doing his home grown car industry no favours at all. I owe the German car industry nothing - I paid, but by rubbishing competition rather than noting it's strengths, you are taking your eye off the ball. This happened with the electronics industry, the motorcycle industry and now the car industry. I can't hear any German's saying "Ford is rubbish, so we need not try and compete".

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Old 7th July 2004, 02:43 PM   #12
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Well I don't quite know what Millwood is trying to do here. Perhaps it's mis-placed patriotism.

to share with the rest of the forum some facts / personal experience? I don't take a particular stands on that.
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Old 7th July 2004, 05:17 PM   #13
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lusso, no, I didn't get the lawyer-letter, just lots of correspondence from VW. And an emission recall, too, which I suppose I'll get around to one of these days.
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Old 7th July 2004, 07:51 PM   #14
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The best thing (for me ) is that the perceived lack of quality of American cars means they're dirt cheap used. That, plus the fact that over here the parts are cheaper too, makes it so that you can get some real bargains if you're willing to turn a wrench. No, my Ford Contour (Mondeo, to the rest of the world) isn't as nice as a VW or Audi, but I could buy three of them for the price of a similar Passat.
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Old 7th July 2004, 07:59 PM   #15
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the perceived lack of quality of American cars means they're dirt cheap used.
That's absolutely correct. GM in particular has done a good job in the quality depart. the CTS is highly ranked and bet out the new 5-series in most magazine reviews. Having ridden in a friend's one, I would definitely consider the CTS for my next car.

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No, my Ford Contour (Mondeo, to the rest of the world) isn't as nice as a VW or Audi, but I could buy three of them for the price of a similar Passat.
the Contour with the 2.5v6 and manual trans is a hard to beat car. It can handle with the best of them.
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Old 8th July 2004, 01:28 AM   #16
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he Contour with the 2.5v6 and manual trans is a hard to beat car. It can handle with the best of them.
Yeah, it's a fun car to drive. But, it's still a Ford!
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Old 8th July 2004, 04:13 AM   #17
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I've always bought second hand Dodge. Expecially for company cars. 2 years ago I got a 94 Dodge Caravan with 3.3L and 125,000 miles for $2600. Now 2 years later with 160,000 miles, It's had a new water pump and 2 brake job (due to my employees poor driving habits) with no sign of the Grim Reaper behind it. I gave him a company car in lue of a $1.00/hr raise. I came out the winner big time.
Last quarter I bought a 99 Plymouth Grand Voyager (same thing) with 80,000 miled for $4500. You got to love american car depriciation.


I'm considering a 2002-2003 Mercedes 320 CLK cabriolet. If the used market isn't soft enough to justify used, I may buy 2005. Does anyone have an opinion of its build quality?
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Old 8th July 2004, 12:49 PM   #18
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Does anyone have an opinion of its build quality?
I would not bank on MB quality: they have done poorly in various surveys. However they did make substantial improvmenets (the S class was one of four most improved branks in the JD's initial quality survey).
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Old 8th July 2004, 11:42 PM   #19
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GM in particular has done a good job in the quality depart
The Chevy S10 (small pickup) has been dead reliable (new battery, new tires, brake pads in 140k km). I prefer the Suburu, but it has had a few more problems with a little less mileage (broken gas low sensor, broken rear wiper motor -- and on Wed next i get to see what is causing an intermittent in the starter).

I'd buy either of these vehicles again.

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cars are boring
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