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Old 8th June 2004, 03:42 PM   #11
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Maybe those who complain about the moderators should
volunteer to join the team? I understand they are in almost
constant search for new members.
 
Old 8th June 2004, 03:58 PM   #12
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Default Let,s address commerce first....

P and P are just as shameless on this forum........


http://ampchipdiy.com/phpBB2/search....r=Peter+Daniel

http://ampchipdiy.com/phpBB2/profile...4dcc2ffe2350cb



This great! It looks like thess guy sees shameless flogging already on the way. There a bunch
of links to DIYaudio.com I guess group buys are not just for the DIYaudio guys but for whoever they can drag into from other forums. Looks like shameless comerce to me.
http://ampchipdiy.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=302

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Old 8th June 2004, 04:27 PM   #13
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Magura, i like your translation to social correct english.




"How to make the competent poeple stay on this forum??"
I had a flood of emails with different people on this topic last days. I think the answer goes in direction

i) no commercialism on the board

ii) no double standart moderation




this would need some kind of control for the moderators action. They moderating themself does obviosly not work, we need some kind of "feedback" regulation from members to moderators. Members need to have the power to let moderators "feel" in some way if they act right or wrong.
 
Old 8th June 2004, 04:48 PM   #14
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hi all,

i have only been on this forum a couple of weeks, but i do notice that there can be a fair bit of negativity from some members towards other members, and in these posts it is just a whole lot of closed minded people who aren't open to anyone else's opinions. they aren't able to conduct a 'discussion' and as soon as someone poses a challange to what they have said, they try and knock that person down. from what i observe, it tends to be people who try and pretend they know more than what they do, and will try and avoid having what they said challanged because they can't back themselves up. i notice a lot of imaturity in this forum too, which as a 17 year old, it seems strange having people atleast twice my age carry on like a pack of three year olds. i mean really, we come to this forum to talk about audio... and obviously in a forum with topics of a subjective nature, there will be different opinions, and until proven otherwise all opinions are just as valid, therefore, everyone should open their minds a little and think about what others say. and when someone challanges a point you make, don't resort to calling them a far-kin see-you-en-tea, but justify your opinion, or admit that it was just an opinion or mistake, and that you have learned from what they have said. we're hear to learn and inform, not to act imature... atleast, that's why i'm here... i go out with my firends to be imature and get drunk and pick fights and whatever, but when i come here, i come to discuss audio. discuss doesn't mean simply listening... of course we should question people about something we don't agree with, but in a civilised maner. maybe more like "could you please explain this, as in my opinion...." instead of "hey you F'n'C, thats wrong. if you weren't such a F'n idiot you'd see it's like this ya c!@#..."

see, big diference hey?

another thing i've observed is there tends to be some forums on this site that attract a lot more negative responses than others, and the main forum i participate in seems to attract pretty minimal amount of negativity when compared with others. it seems maybe some areas of audio attract people of different personalities maybe because these areas might have a slightly different culture surounding them or whatever reason... but, but for whatever reason it is, we are bound to find people on this forum who's minds are closed and their ability to think rationaly is clouded by their own pretentions. if these people opened their minds and conducted themselves in a rational manner, this would be a much happier place.

about moderating moderators, maybe we should set up a system where people can lodge a complaint about a moderator if they find something the moderator says or does objectionable, and once that moderator gets a certain number of strikes, the other moderators will review the complaints lodged and decide what to do with this moderator... and, any member found falsely reporting should also be dealt with... this keeps it fair or otherwise people with something personal against a moderator might do this as revenge or something similar. i think we also need to have more moderators, of a wider range of ages, genders (are there many if any females on this forum???), and differing opinions. this would create more ballance.

just remember fellas, keep it real.... keep it audio
 
Old 8th June 2004, 04:49 PM   #15
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Guys, I am on this forum just slightly over two years. Thinking back, I can't see any major difference with two years ago. There were some periods where I was really bored and didn't visit for days, because there was a lot of subjective yes/no talking going on. Of course, for others that may have been the exciting periods.

I have seen Walt Jung come and, sadly, go again. I have seen Jonathan Carr (or maybe it was John Curl) come and becoming one of the important contributors (both are, I'm just not sure which of them joined during my time). You lose a few, you gain a few. Personally, I find the average discussion level at a higher intellectual level than two years ago.

There were several flare-ups with the moderators accused of a lot of bad stuff, but I have seen more abuse-loaded threads in the first year I was here then in the last year.

So, from my perspective, we're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. And, I have no doubt that moderation works, and works pretty good considered this is basically an anarchy kept together by a common hobby and a few very basic human relation principles (and the fact that you cannot physically shoot at someone ).

Can anyone still remember the reason for this thread (don't cheat, don't look up the earlier posts). So, let's get back to audio, shall we?

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Old 8th June 2004, 05:03 PM   #16
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Valuable members have left due to their perception that there was not enough moderation. Valuable members have left *because* of moderation. You will never make everyone happy so my preference is to err on the side of less moderation and trust people to interact like adults. If they really aren't inclined to, moderation isn't going to force them to do so anyway.
Agreed

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So, from my perspective, we're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. And, I have no doubt that moderation works, and works pretty good considered this is basically an anarchy kept together by a common hobby and a few very basic human relation principles (and the fact that you cannot physically shoot at someone ).
Agreed

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Old 8th June 2004, 05:26 PM   #17
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Agree and agree, but there are concerns about commercial hard sell here, the forum is being exploited, and it seems moderators are fortgetting the forum rules, actually I have never read it me self. I think back on topic here in this thread is will by riding of shameless comerce make the competent people stay on this forum? I think the question should apply to all members not just competent members. How do we classify competentancy anyway?

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We should not brush the dirt under the carpet I think.
 
Old 8th June 2004, 05:34 PM   #18
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I agree with you Chris. I think there may very well be *something* that could be improved, whether it's commercialism or uniformity among the moderators or whatever.

BUT the biggest problem now is that these threads discussing it bring out all the crazies. Good grief, can't some of you join a gym, pound the heavy bag for a while or something?
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Old 8th June 2004, 05:37 PM   #19
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You know i was about to add my 2 pence worth but i would be just saying whats already been said, Anybody know any good jokes?
 
Old 8th June 2004, 05:42 PM   #20
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Those "experienced" members have a lot to offer, and most of them offer it in a very altruistic way. I've learned many things from them, mainly about generosity. I take the opportunity to thank them again.
But what I see, is too much dependency of them. Everybody wants a Pass, a Curl, a Thorsten, me, or a Jung for every question. And I have to say that we are becoming a bit lazy, and forgetting what DIY is. Diy means: "let the other people do it for yourself", or make a group so you don't have to build your chassis
We all have started asking "which one is better?" but have developed our skills.
Hey, but that's just my point of view
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