Who's going to stop Israel

[Magura]

This conflict is ...just like any other conflict, a subject to political interest and economical interests...and maybe least of the parts involved in the conflict.

Through a number of friends whom have served in severel different wars, like the falklands, afganistan and so forth, I have learned that what we get from our governments and through the medias, is usually very coloured information, twisted to serve the respective interests.

With that in mind....I dont see how anybody besides the people actually there and involved in the conflict can pass any judgement what so ever. Even the people that are there and involved in the conflict usually hardly get the truth and the facts behind the respective actions.


Magura

[sss]

Originally posted by Magura

Through a number of friends whom have served in severel different wars, like the falklands, afganistan and so forth, I have learned that what we get from our governments and through the medias, is usually very coloured information, twisted to serve the respective interests.
With that in mind....I dont see how anybody besides the people actually there and involved in the conflict can pass any judgement what so ever. Even the people that are there and involved in the conflict usually hardly get the truth and the facts behind the respective actions.

thats correct Magura


Daniel-A i think u should visit some hezballa websites and see what they are talking about , i'm a soldier so i know whats going on here better then others

Originally posted by Cal Weldon
It's guns, tanks and missiles against sticks, rocks and suicide bombers. Hardly seems fair

thats what u hear and see on your local news stations

so i guess they destroy israeli tanks and kill soldiers with sticks and rocks .
your news stations dont tell that i guess , well they got guns , rpgs and antitank misssiles , go do your homework

[till]

so i guess they destroy israeli tanks and kill soldiers with sticks and rocks .

did you ever ask yourself why they do so? did you ask why you have to kill kids and women?

did you every count how many solders they kill and how many palestinian kid you isreal solders do kill?

i do trust the news more than what they tell you so you could belive its ok to do your job.

its the same like USA killing some dozent civilian iraqis at a party some hours ago... of corse they all were terrorists, planning to fly a plan in a building in the USA.

[Christer]

SSS,

do you respect the 1949 borders and accept to withdraw all
jewish settlements from the west bank and Gaza?

If the answer to the question above is no, then how can you
expect the palestinians to respect you?



I know it is not that simple and that for instance Hamas does
not accept the state of Israel at all, but that is no different
from those jews who claim a right to the occupied territories
as far as I can see. To me it seems that there are too many
people on both sides who are not genuinely interested in
peace if they have to compromise even a tiny bit.

PS. I absolutely condemn the palestinian suicide bombings,
but to some extent I can understand them. When people are
pressed hard enough they become desperate, that is human
nature.

[SY]

What's magic about 1949 borders? Or 1967 borders? Or 1973 borders? Or 1947 borders? Or 1922 borders? or...

Should that region go back to British control? Turkish? Italian? Iraqi? Should the Hashemites, who rule a majority-Palestinian country, abdicate?

[rfbrw]

Arguing that the websites of Hamas or Hezbollah are representative of the Arab world at large is like arguing that views of Kach and Kahane Chai form the basis of Sharon's policies. As far as Hezbollah is concerned, the Israelis brought that upon themselves by overstaying their welcome in Lebanon.
What Israel is involved in the West Bank and Gaza is no different to Hitler's Lebensraum policy and dressing it up in religious or security bullsh!t won't change that. I don't doubt for a moment that the the Palestinians try their hardest to destroy Israeli military hardware but if someone was coming to blow up your house and steal your land, you wouldn't go out to meet them with a feather duster.

[till]

As long as they don´t accept a borderline there is war. they can´t complain there is war if they make it.

[Christer]

Originally posted by SY
What's magic about 1949 borders? Or 1967 borders? Or 1973 borders? Or 1947 borders? Or 1922 borders? or...

Should that region go back to British control? Turkish? Italian? Iraqi? Should the Hashemites, who rule a majority-Palestinian country, abdicate?

Maybe it's 1947. Anyway, I mean the border of the state of
Israel as recognized by the UN, ie. not including the west bank
and Gaza.

I should also add that my questions are mostly out of curiosity
since I don't know any israelis and it is very difficult to understand
the reasoning of many israelis. I have nothing against jews and
nothing against the state of Israel per se, but there seems to
be something fundamentally flawed with the current politics
of this state as far as I can judge from my remote corner of
the world. Hm, well I do know a number of israelis professionally,
but it is long ago since I talked about politics with any of them,
and much has happened since then.

[SY]

There's a movement here to return California to Spain. There's something magic about the 1898 borders.

What should we do about Alsace?

Actually, the UN does not recognize one border or another- that's a matter of treaty.

[Lusso5]

. I absolutely condemn the palestinian suicide bombings,
but to some extent I can understand them.

Maybe you dont have children, but strapping a bomb to one, and sending them for a walk..... Not only this, but many are raised willing to do so. Add to that using them as human-shields...

I feel for the innocents caught up in it all.

but there seems to be something fundamentally flawed with the current politics of [Israel]

No offense, but I've yet to meet a European that didnt have that exact same view about nearly every other country.