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Old 28th June 2004, 03:41 PM   #11
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The struggle for Iraq
In English this means the "struggle for [control of] Iraq", not the "struggle for [the benefit of] Iraq". Maybe it's just the brainwashing talking, but really don't think anyone could deny that there's a struggle for control of Iraq going on.
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Old 28th June 2004, 03:53 PM   #12
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In English this means the "struggle for [control of] Iraq", not the "struggle for [the benefit of] Iraq". Maybe it's just the brainwashing talking, but really don't think anyone could deny that there's a struggle for control of Iraq going on.
But then again, it is not struggle for iraq itself...

Maybe I don't understand english well enough, but for me struggle for/[to do] something is both referring to control and benefit("The struggle for one's life"), and the difference is dictated by the context. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 28th June 2004, 04:00 PM   #13
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Maybe I don't understand english well enough,
take out the word "Maybe" and you have an unbiased statement.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Old 28th June 2004, 04:46 PM   #14
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Maybe I don't understand english well enough, but for me struggle for/[to do] something is both referring to control and benefit("The struggle for one's life"), and the difference is dictated by the context. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Try this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22st...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

If "X struggles for Y", there's an implicature that "X desires Y", and it's a small step from there to "Y would benefit X" (or at least "X thinks Y would benefit X"). Y doesn't necessarily benefit -- in fact, Y is usually either abstract ("justice") or inanimate ("oil").

(Warning: I'm a linguist by trade, so I care about these things more than is really healthy.)
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Old 4th July 2004, 09:01 PM   #15
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I'm with Rob.

I think the headline clearly means "the struggle for the control of Iraq", not "The struggle for the benefit of Iraq".

Maybe it's a language thing, maybe it's a transatlantic thing, (although Rob lived in Holland for years). But I think few Americans would interpret that headline as meaning "The struggle for the benefit of Iraq", regardless of their political stance.
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