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Old 10th April 2004, 09:11 PM   #21
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or headscafe wearing muslims in France.
I dont find this a problem, i find France being racist in the way that they are banning the headscaf.
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Old 10th April 2004, 09:20 PM   #22
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i remember some picture on radio-canada tv of women having lost there child after a usa attack. she was not crying and the reporter keep saying "it showed how these people suffer with saddam hussein, they can not even cry there child"
Hmm i dont find that statment true, maybe the woman was in shock! How do we know that she was ever a victim of Sadam? Not all wer.

As ive stated before, dont beleive the media on all that you hear, the truth is coming out slowly but surley, now that some time has passed, and there are quite afew media coverages that are obviously lies being brought to the surface.

We are only alowed to see what our goverment alows us to see, this also includes covering up the TRUTH!

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Old 10th April 2004, 09:56 PM   #23
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I dont find this a problem, i find France being racist in the way that they are banning the headscaf.
I am not sure if it is racist as the policy affects muslims of all color / race.

It is, in my view, bigotry and intolerance towards a minority religion. it is undemocratic and anti-diversity. scarves aren't just a religious symbol to the muslims but also part of their cultures. to the muslim, banning scarves is as much as banding steaks or suits for the French or American.

It is scary that the scarf ban was supported overwhelmingly in France. Think about what horrible things those people could do if they were the superpower of the world.

Wait, where did the French experiment with their nuclear weapons?

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Old 11th April 2004, 08:56 AM   #24
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Some precisions.

There is absolutely no racism in saying that headscaf is not allowed at school. The law is clear in France. You are not allowed to wear any sign of religeous, political or philosophical belonging. That means no headscaf, but also no crosses and no kippa. The law is not directed torward the muslims.

The idea behing this is that children are very easely influenced by the power of the group. Children don t have the point of view of adults. They have no distance to the religeous fact. The school is not the place to teach religion. It s just a way to insure neutrality. In parallel religions are discussed as historical facts.

Our views of the religion are very different. For instance I cannnot understand who it is possible that your president is praying before meetings of the governement, or refering to God every two sentences. How can he be the president of muslims, jews or lay people. French neutrality regarding religion in the political buisness is a way to deal with the many different religions. I dont know if t s the best way, but it s one way.

Also saying that France is racist is as stupid as saying that US is stupid because Bush is not a genius. General statements like these are not only wrong, they are dangerous.
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I have to agree with akira, the French moves to divide religion and state should be applauded. This whole thing has been blown out of all proportion by minorities, ( both left wing, right wing, and religious), with their own divisive agenda, and is not representative of the general population.
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Sure racist was the wrong word, it stretches as far as my vocabulary goes at that time of day posting that, but surley there is a big problem in this world, and that is people accepting others for who they are.

I dont live in France so i dont know france nor what the people are like, but however that was my first impressions , and not only mine, when we heard about the head scaff.

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Old 11th April 2004, 11:29 AM   #27
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You are not allowed to wear any sign of religeous, political or philosophical belonging.
but how can you save the scarf is a religeous symbol? for every muslim who wears it, I can also find a muslim who doesn't.

wedding rings have its origins in religion as well. do we ban them too?

What I read about the whole fiasco is that apparently muslim activism is very much of a concern in France. A jewish kid was taunted and had to leave school by his mostly muslim classmates. incidents like that reinforced the general public's believe that the role of muslim should be minimized.

Maybe you have better information on that.

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For instance I cannnot understand who it is possible that your president is praying before meetings of the governement, or refering to God every two sentences.

well, that's his personal belief and I have no problem seeing him needing that. I have enough trust in our political system not to be bothered by that.

I am an atheist myself btw.
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This whole thing has been blown out of all proportion by minorities, ( both left wing, right wing, and religious), with their own divisive agenda, and is not representative of the general population.
because the minorities are the ones needing protection of their civil liberty.

Otherwise, why do we need democracy?
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I mean, we have not found one thing in the world that the US is not responsible about : the genocide in Rwanda, red spots on the mars, WW2, nazi germany, Diana's death, flood in the Amazon, dying pandas in China, proliferation of Beyond, fire at the uranium city hospital, the potato plague, IRA, you just name it.

Wait, the bunnies in my backyard are multiplying like crazy. The US must have done it.

nice things usa are responsible: great high end audio product, computer, real football ( sorry european!!!),Disney...

thing you are leader: dead penalty, citizen killed by gun, war, invasion of other countries, war industries with united kingdom and canada....

the one thing you're definitly not responsible: peace!!!
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Old 11th April 2004, 05:47 PM   #30
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the one thing you're definitly not responsible: peace!!!
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you are absolutely right. the USSR would have collapsed all by itself, and the Nazis would have conqurered the whole Europe and the Japanese the Asian countries and we would have lived all happily in peace worshiping Hitler.

Isn't that wonderful?

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