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I see the European Union is taking on new members.
Had a discussion about this somewhere else, so I thought I would ask clarification here: ultimately, do all the present EU members have to approve for a new member to be admitted? Can just one or two nations prevent a new member from becoming admitted? Or is a majority, 2/3, or 3/4 approval? Also, is there a stated requirement that all EU members must be actually located in Europe? Is it at least conceivable they could admit a nation that does not have part of it lying in Europe or a nearby island, (not that they have expressed interest in doing so)?
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sweden
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the EU, like approving new members, currently has to be ratified by the governments of all EU countries. That is, in practice, any country can stop such decisions. Such things has happened on several occasions. Since the number of members will now grow even more, it has been suggested to change the rules so a single country can no longer stop decsicions, but there is no decision taken on this yet. I understand that some kind of EU constitution is planned to be decided on during this year, and that it is intended to include new rules for voting, but that requires that a concencus on this new constitution can be reached under the current rules, of course. Something which not everybody believes will happen. Quote:
about this at all. Turkey wants to become a member and the US is pressing EU to to allow them in. However, from a purely geographical point of view, only a small part of Turkey is usually considered to belong to Europe. What would happen if Russia would eventually want to become a member? A large part of Russia is usually considered to belong to Europe. I suppose the main problem is that nobody really has a very clear idea of what EU is supposed to be. The purpose of the union is unclear and changes over time. Some countries, or at least politicians, want it to eventually be a federation, while most seem to prefer it to be a looser union of sovereign states. |
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1.) They must have stable institutions that can guarantee democracy, the rule of law, human rights and protection of minorities.
2.) They must be functioning market economies with the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the EU. 3.) They must be equipped to take on the obligations of membership and to adhere to the aims of political union and economic and monetary union. http://www.riksdagen.se/english/eu/e...nlargement.asp |
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diyAudio Member
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Thanks, Christer and Bas.
I had a discussion elsewhere where an individual maintained that Turkey had no chance to join the EU because "geography is geography". Your anwers have now made clear that if Turkey does not get into the EU, it will not be because it fails any geography requirement, but merely because the other EU states decide not to let it in. That is a big difference. Thanks for the clarification, guys.
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diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
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If I wanted to be cynical I would say that Turkey is a Muslim country...and the EU is a Christian club. No way the Christians will accept a muslim member.
But I won't be cynical. The human rights issue is far far more important than the Geography of Europe. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
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I keep reading in the Dutch papers about how they're going to limit the number of Eastern Europeans who can get work permits in the Netherlands. Is that true? Can they really do that? Or is it just a lot of political noise? I guess all EU countries are equal, but some are more equal than others. By the time Turkey gets in, they might find it's not worth the trouble.
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diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: U.K.
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When borders are opened, there is a possibility of large movement of both working and welfare dependant population from poorer to richer countries. It would be unrealistic to expect unlimited access straight away. Imagine the USA opening it's border with Mexico.
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diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
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John and Rob,
America and Mexico are both part of NAFTA...But very much 2 different countries. But the European Union is about more than just a trade agreement....taking away borders not putting them up. The dutch protection of workers is nothing else but Apartheid. Cheers, Bas Quote:
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diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: U.K.
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Bas,
Well I don't know the details of the Dutch policy, but we in the UK are led to believe that all the old members including us, are putting limits on Work permits and Welfare benefits. Surely the only other way for it to work is to delay their membership until their economy is on a level to yours. I do believe that earlier membership will get them to that point quicker. Now whether the larger Union will work at all, that's another matter.... |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sweden
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Regarding the special rules for new member states. When
the conditions for the enlargement were taken only two of the current member states requested an exception that imposed restrictions on immigration from the new member states. I think one of these was Eire, but I don't remember which the other one was. However, although everybody else said they would not impose any such restriction, there was a backdoor in the treaty, saying that any member country was allowed to introduce such excpetions later on. As time went by, more and more member states has signalled that they want to make use of this backdoor and impose restrictions. Note howverr that such restrictions cannot be permanent, but only be operational for a period of a few years. I think Germany was (one of) the first countries to send out such signals. Then many others have followed, inlcuding my own country, Sweden. The worries here are that we have by tradition a very generous welfare system and according to current law you are only required to be employed 10 hours a week to get access to these benefits. There is a fear amongst some politicians that some people from the poorer of the new member countries will move here just to make use of this. Nobody knows if this fear is jsutified or not, of course. It seems now that the government is not getting enough support for introducing such exceptions, but nothing is settled yet. Anyway, the reasoning behind the suggested exceptions is that since a large share of the EU budget will be directed towards the new members, their economies are expected to grow quickly and withing a few years even out the really big differences in living standard. Regarding Turkey, the impression one gets from media here in Sweden, at least, is that most "experts" seem to question if there is actually any of the current member countries who really wants Turkey as a member but that no politician dares to say that outright, so instead they just keep telling Turkey that they are still not living up to the requirements for a membership application. Interestingly, it seems noone has tried to disqualify them for geographical reasons, which seem to be the simplest way if they really wanted to say no. However, this is all just media speculations. Obviously, the geography is not considered a problem. However, as Bas said, there are still serious issues regarding the human rights situation in Turkey. It seems though that things have improved somewhat in that respect since Turkey seem to really want to be eligible for membership. I understand that although people can still be sentenced to death in Turkey, the courts has stopped making use of this as a first step towards harmonizing with the EU requirements. However, since nobody seems to have tried disqualifying Turkey for geographical reasons, we do have the interesting question of what countries are eligible in theory. At least a part of Turkey is located in Europe, but so ia a large part of Russia. Although this has no direct connections with EU, Israel has since many many years back been allowed to participate in, and has also on several occasions won, the Eurovision song contest which is run by the European Broadcasting Union. Does that mean Israel could eventually be considered a European country??? BTW, since a few years back also Russia participates, but at least they are partially European. So if Russia would be eligible for having some part of its soil in Europe, would that mean that all other former Soviet republics are also eligible for once being part of the partially european Soviet Union?? i seriously doubt there is any clear and coherent view on these matters. |
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