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Old 12th November 2014, 01:07 AM   #1
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Default I hate Linux

Setting up Permissions wrong has resulted in 150GB of data being sent to the wrong directory.

I just received my new speakers and now I have to sit here and figure out what the hell is wrong with my music server before I can play anything on them.

Or maybe its that the configuration file needs editing when you shutdown the daemon.

Or maybe its that I didn't use the correct formatting in the configuration file.

Or maybe its that I used the GUI of the app to set the configuration but the GUI app doesn't have the same group permissions to write to the same directory as the daemon does and so therefore the daemon reads its own configuration file again and again.

This last one really got me, I set the settings in the GUI and figured all is well, WRONG!

The number of things that you have to remember just to do one operator in Linux is mind boggling! Imagine what it is like having to juggle multiple services and having to remember how to do everything key-perfect every single time, its a ******* nightmare! You mustn't be able to have any other life besides configuring this stuff!

And the dependency that I have on Google is disturbing to say the least, nearly every single command nearly every single mistake that I make has to be googled. The ones that I do remember the answer to are too few and far between.

And they change everything whenever they do a new release.

Its no longer
sudo /etc/init.d/daemon stop


Anymore, its:

sudo services daemon stop


STOP SCREWING WITH THINGS!

I say again, I hate Linux.

I have to live with it now, but that doesn't mean I have to like it!

And I say this here because there is no other place to say it, if you put it anywhere else where Linux programmers could hear it they would blast you to kingdom come for you having the HIDE to question their belief system.

And then they pull out the old trusty faithful crutch that is "Well if you don't like it you can change it" WRONG I'm not a Programmer I'm an Engineer/End User!
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Old 12th November 2014, 01:19 AM   #2
mcluxun is offline mcluxun  United States
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jokes on you buddy
you cant blame dumbbells too heavy if you are too weak to work out.
I can make similar claims about windows 8 not having the start button menu, and me being stupid that costs data lost.
At the end of the day you do have to realize linux is there to offer you options instead of a full body happy ending massage.
thinking init.d and service sucks? systemd is being deployed now, feel free to choose not to use it but dont blame the software.
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Old 12th November 2014, 01:27 AM   #3
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jokes on you buddy
you cant blame dumbbells too heavy if you are too weak to work out.
I've been using linux since 1998 (Minix on 1.44MB/Debian Potato on 1.44MB/Ubuntu in that order) and still feel lost sometimes. You'd think that after all of this time that I would have the basics down but no...

Know why? Because they change the rules of the game every time they release a new version.

I started out using vi, then they pulled out vi and replaced it with editor or nano...

I memorised all of the commands to vi, I even bought the god damn manual for it, and then they released a new version of vi and changed most of the commands!

Then they moved wherever the files were once originally so all of the knowledge that I learnt beforehand about where the files are is now changed.

Then they came up with the most rediculous idea ever, sudo, which forces me to enter in a highly complex password every 8 seconds.

But Debian has gone to **** so I can't go back to that and the process to remove sudo is more complex than brain surgery.

I need a drink!
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Old 12th November 2014, 01:37 AM   #4
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Dear Sir
Ive wrecked software raid myself and i know it's my fault when it is my fault.

replacing vi with nano sucks and i know it especially when i did git commit on a new computer and that ugly nano popped up. but again after all you are one command away from fixing it, linux is all about options.

IIRC last week i did a netinst of debian, sudo is not even in default install.

go get a drink and good night of sleep, in computer science we call that a reboot, you ll get over it.
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Old 12th November 2014, 01:50 AM   #5
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Dear Sir
Ive wrecked software raid myself and i know it's my fault when it is my fault.
I'm not concerned about blaming anyone or anything.

I want to change Linux for the better but I cannot because of the pig headed attitude towards "outside people" trying to provide a source of feedback for wether or not this sucks or not.

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replacing vi with nano sucks and i know it especially when i did git commit on a new computer and that ugly nano popped up. but again after all you are one command away from fixing it, linux is all about options.
It feels like I'm pulling out weeds everytime I update or reinstall (which is rare thankfully)

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IIRC last week i did a netinst of debian, sudo is not even in default install.

go get a drink and good night of sleep, in computer science we call that a reboot, you ll get over it.
Indeed, I'm calmed down I just don't know why I bother though sometimes.

Its not like the network is insecure this is a box sitting on the LAN end of a network providing home users with file access.

I'm questioning wether the bother of having it is worthwhile, especially considering that Zoneminder is a poor replacement for iSpy (Sure Zoneminder is good BUT iSpy records audio.)

And the other use is SAMBA which I can do easily with any Windows server software.

And I'm a gamer so I need Windows for games so its not like I can use Linux on a desktop pc.

And the whole audio thing is a fundamental flaw with the Zoneminder package so it has to have a complete rewrite for it to ever be an option for it.

The only positive thing that I can see with Linux as a home server is ext4 thats it. Well it is more efficient too but thats questionable if I'm ripping my hair out all of the time.

Sure the Software RAID1 that I've got is fine just fine.
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Old 12th November 2014, 11:30 AM   #6
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Firefox has the same problem as Linux: the people who develop it seem to have as their goal in life to develop Firefox/Linux. They don't seem to understand ordinary people who simply want some reliable stable software to get a job done.

Why is it that the default layout of Firefox controls keeps changing? The bookmarks icon recently moved from the left (near the back/forward buttons) over to the right. Why? Their answer always seems to be that users can customise as they wish. Why should we have to keep doing this? One of the reasons we use non-MS software is because we got fed up with MS keep changing things for no apparent reason apart from introducing new security risks.

It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?
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Old 12th November 2014, 11:36 AM   #7
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Firefox has the same problem as Linux: the people who develop it seem to have as their goal in life to develop Firefox/Linux. They don't seem to understand ordinary people who simply want some reliable stable software to get a job done.

Why is it that the default layout of Firefox controls keeps changing? The bookmarks icon recently moved from the left (near the back/forward buttons) over to the right. Why? Their answer always seems to be that users can customise as they wish. Why should we have to keep doing this? One of the reasons we use non-MS software is because we got fed up with MS keep changing things for no apparent reason apart from introducing new security risks.

It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?

Oh my god I know!

I use Firefox regularly and the privacy permissions don't do anything at all, it still remembers everything. Except now its thrown in your face in a new tab in big ugly squares. At least its being honest.

I figured out after a long while that the only time it actually listens to you is when you choose "Use custom settings for history" the option "Never remember history" never actually works or does anything.

I think the last Firefox version that I actually trusted to do what I tell it to was v3.6.3

The moment that they remove the option to enable the Bookmarks toolbar I will quit using it.

Perfection isn't something that can be achieved through random alterations of a product, you must listen to the whispers just as much as the screams because both are equally justified; only when there is silence have you reached utter disaster or complete perfection in a product.

Its only saving grace (the reason why i still use it) is its not a Google pooped out product and the plugins are excellent: Noscript, Ghostery, Adblock plus.
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Old 12th November 2014, 12:22 PM   #8
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It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?
That doesn't happen on here though

@ freax

Privacy Related Topics in here https://www.wilderssecurity.com Amongst the other good stuff, look for FF related topics. You might have to go back quite a number of posts/threads to catch up, but it'll be worth it Also check out the other threads on there too for some nice Apps & advice/info etc.

Linux help etc https://www.wilderssecurity.com/foru...things-unix.99 & https://secure.dslreports.com/forum/unixdsl Lots of other info etc on there too
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Old 12th November 2014, 01:05 PM   #9
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A year ago I was really annoyed with linux as I was trying to set up a fanless recycled thin client using a cut to the bone linux variant, except there are not many of those around anymore so I couldn't find anything within the 256MB memory footprint I had that would run on the hardware. I finally got fed up and got an HP microserver, which has been best audio purchase of the year. Last night took 3 hours to get a new USB-SPDIF converter working, main reason being that the help files are confusing and sometimes contradictory as the internet never forgets so you can find old advice that has been deprecated.

however now its sorted and I know it will mimble on till the hard drive is filled without needing to be restarted for updates every 2 weeks. It is the best tool for the job but unless you use it all day every day, you forget a lot.

XKCD sums it up xkcd: tar

One day I will open a port in so can stream music remotely. That will be fun...
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Old 12th November 2014, 01:18 PM   #10
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I laughed at the title, but understand. It isn't more difficult that learning electrical engineering for diyaudio.
If you stick with it, you will create your own perfect system... and when things go bad they don't make smoke (knock on wood).
I've never touched a Windows 8 screen to my knowledge, and don't want to pay for Kaspersky renewals so haven't booted into Windows 7 since I'm not sure... and I while I'm sure it is not as new as everyone thinks, exploits like the bash one pointed out a couple of months ago prove none of us are safe from bugs. I've been a Mac user since tax time and would have found it absolutely frustrating if I didn't already know how to get around using *NIX commands. I still find it frustrating, and realize how dumbed down I've let my brain get over a few months. There are some things you can't do efficiently unless you simply have commands memorized.
While I haven't tried an updated version, Ubuntu was too bloated by 2012. I have a box running Mint which really needs to be abandoned. Lubuntu with packages added as needed seems to work for older systems.
Almost everything in peoples homes is running Linux. Network storage, phones, tablets, televisions, cameras, coffee makers (maybe not yet, would hate to have it hacked and have fresh coffee made at midnight).
All of the problems parallel my frustrations with diyaudio.
When scanning through the replies I saw v3.6.3 and thought - is that a mistake - the reason I logged in this morning 6.3vdc from 6.3vac for heater power supply. I could quit all of this and buy an AVR from craigslist for $200.
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