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Old 22nd June 2013, 04:23 PM   #31
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In the lounge you can talk about anything but religion and politics. However, there is little point in talking about something which you wish not to talk about. Otherwise it is like little children in the playground: "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you - so there!".
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Old 22nd June 2013, 06:01 PM   #32
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Assume, what such answer is, can then you will be able to tell, what with it to make?

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The words are English, but the sentences?
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I am sorry that such arguments went to a course. The question was concrete, and discussion on abstract subjects wasn't included into my plans. Real offers aren't present. Let's finish on it. Yours faithfully.
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I am sorry that such arguments went to a course. The question was concrete, and discussion on abstract subjects wasn't included into my plans. Real offers aren't present. Let's finish on it. Yours faithfully.
no-one has the obligation to make the effort of understanding Google English. period.
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Old 22nd June 2013, 09:45 PM   #36
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Tubes and transistors sound exactly the same, anyway, if competently implemented.

But if you really want the old-fashioned "tube amp sound", just put some resistance in series with a transistor amp's output, to degrade it to that level.

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Old 23rd June 2013, 01:02 AM   #37
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Tubes and transistors sound exactly the same,
anyway, if competently implemented.
So far so good, noting that each has a different set of problems (impedence and aging in tubes, poorer distortion figures and voltage/temperature variable "constants" in transistors - according to the IEEE)

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But if you really want the old-fashioned "tube amp sound", just put some resistance in series with a transistor amp's output, to degrade it to that level.
And then you miss the point entirely. That amounts to an "Ad hominem" attack on the device.
Which would be like me stating that: "to get that transistor sound, add some slew rate limiting inside your feedback loop."
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Old 23rd June 2013, 03:43 AM   #38
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Haha. OK. Sorry. I was just paraphrasing from the end of the second article I linked. I suppose it was a bit naughty of me to just throw that out, here. (And I probably should have tried to explain what "old fashioned" meant. It's really not an attack on the device, if that is understood.)

If you read the articles, be sure to read the comments at the bottom. Some people who are regulars, here at diyaudio.com, made some pretty good points.

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Old 23rd June 2013, 09:09 AM   #39
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In a General sense , You are right. But in light of my recent findings it can be fixed. As You know , there is a difference in the old sound systems and new. Under its version of the theory, I got an explanation for this. Of course you can mock at my words , but it is. Most likely, many would understand and took my point of view , the problem is that I can't this reveal the essence of the solution . To me this situation repents dead end , why I asked the starting question. I'm also sure that many of you here very are smart , and would not want my departure from direct answers was misunderstood. With respect .
Good points . David Mate at SSL ( mixing desks ) had very good approximation to other companies sounds which could be switched in . I had thought from this what if the sound of a Marshall amp could be replicated using a resistor , blameless amplifier and digital syntheses of the Marshal amp ( at all levels ) .
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Which, to paraphrase, says: adding feedback loops around non-linearities creates "new sounds" and "program modulated, high frequency "noise""
This was indeed often the case in that era, as the amplifiers were very nonlinear to begin with and had relatively low open loop gain, which made the available amount of feedback rather low.

I believe that people like Bruno Putzeys and Bob Codell have shown that with contemporary amplifiers this is no longer the case, and that 'there is no such thing as too much feedback' (withing the stability regime of course). Although there IS such a thing as too little feedback, leading indeed to 'new sounds'.

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