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Old 26th April 2013, 10:51 AM   #31
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In my opinion interesting people also have to have scepticism in everything.
Everything? I find scepticism in everything is often a sign of ignorance. Sadly, modern 'education' seems to inculcate this into impressionable youngsters: they are taught to question everything but not to learn and understand things first. This later makes them easy prey for snake oil merchants (in all areas of life) while at the same time quite resistant to truth; they end up sincerely believing that facts are merely a matter of personal opinion. They can also believe that as information is available online they don't have to learn it; this leaves them unable to think coherently as thought requires some raw material to work on. I don't blame youngsters for this; I blame those who teach them. (This is an anti-teacher rant!).

Ask questions, yes. Probe the edges of what is known, and what is assumed. Don't believe what people say just because of who said it - no 'gurus'. Don't just follow the herd.
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Old 26th April 2013, 12:01 PM   #32
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Skepticism is a very useful light to illuminate many things, but must be balanced with an understanding of what is established knowledge in a particular field. Be skeptical always when considering advertising claims, investment advice from a seller of investments, that which cannot be questioned and must be accepted on faith, the glory of being lucky in gambling and that Nigerian officials want to share unclaimed millions with you if you will pay the taxes.

At the other end of the spectrum is, for example, the 2nd Law, which has such enormous weight of evidence and inescapability that skepticism is properly aimed at any claim or phenomenon that tries to evade its shackles. Scientists and we humbler engineers necessarily use that which is established knowledge (f=m*a, V=I*r, etc.) to sift information. The trick is to find balance in the middle and not confuse theory with established knowledge.
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Old 26th April 2013, 01:25 PM   #33
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Just follow your instincts, if you still have any. Every man is a particular phenomenon, just be yourself, being wrong or right is not that important. And if that leads you to a troubled life and possible personal doom well... you are ****** anyways no matter what you do or think. Organic life is a very insecure business.
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Old 26th April 2013, 07:08 PM   #34
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Just follow your instincts
those motivational books got to you, eh?

IME, instincts get us into trouble, most of the times.
while I agree that in order to have a significant chance to reach a goal one should just "do their thing", it's not instinct that should lead us. there was a nice article on the subject, I'll try to look for it.

LE: here it is: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...gination=false

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Cognitive illusions are the main theme of his book. A cognitive illusion is a false belief that we intuitively accept as true. The illusion of validity is a false belief in the reliability of our own judgment. The interviewers sincerely believed that they could predict the performance of recruits after talking with them for fifteen minutes. Even after the interviewers had seen the statistical evidence that their belief was an illusion, they still could not help believing it. Kahneman confesses that he himself still experiences the illusion of validity, after fifty years of warning other people against it. He cannot escape the illusion that his own intuitive judgments are trustworthy.
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Old 26th April 2013, 07:22 PM   #35
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Instincts have their place, provided they are informed and constrained by facts. Often they are not, so lead people seriously astray.

Being wrong or right can be astonishingly important. Just ask any surgeon or pilot.
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Old 26th April 2013, 07:48 PM   #36
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Here's a real knee-slapper: How about a meter reader type who claims that if you can't measure something using 1930's level harmonic or intermodulation distortion measurements, you can't hear it?!?
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Here's a real knee-slapper: How about a meter reader type who claims that if you can't measure something using 1930's level harmonic or intermodulation distortion measurements, you can't hear it?!?
knee-slapper? how? what's that got to do with... anything? did you read the replies, especially mine where I say that at least some of the non-audio EEs are close minded?
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Old 26th April 2013, 08:06 PM   #38
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Oh man this is gonna get us into deep, deep territory. I'd rather not go there because I'm only here for fun, but just to be polite and answer my questioners:

Mr push pull - do not to believe everything you read (attached photo).

DF96 - Our instincts keep us alive, if your instincts are messed up you're done. Enough said. And as for right or wrong ....yeah better do your job right than wrong. I was talking about not caring much if I'm right or wrong to the world. Just do your thing.
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Mr push pull - do not to believe everything you read (attached photo).
here's a story for you.
I've met some "Zen" types in real life. they're full of quotes from motivational books. some make up their own and seem original. the funniest part is when you get to know them better and you get to understand that it's just words
IMO instinct is becoming and obsoleted part of the human mind. damn it, even love has very clearly-defined rules and most relationships that just "follow their instinct" don't last not even talking about engineering, if it isn't obvious.
and no, I don't believe everything I read

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Our instincts keep us alive, if your instincts are messed up you're done.
nobody was talking about staying alive, why are you changing the subject?
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Old 26th April 2013, 08:19 PM   #40
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knee-slapper? how? what's that got to do with... anything?
You don't think a pin-headed techno-dweeb with an overinflated ego is funny? They're the kind who insist all amplifiers sound identical to each other, for instance.

Remember CD? Philips was going to introduce it as a 14 bit format as a lower audio quality version of the LP. Sony got on board, convinced Philips to boost the standard to 16 bit, created a massive 'Perfect Sound Forever' advertising campaign to push it, and that's all millions of morons needed to start crawling out of the woodwork insisting it was the best thing ever sonically.

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