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Old 4th May 2013, 11:11 PM   #51
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As to proving audiophiles idiots, that reputation is already prevalent to some extent in the world at large and not helped by some of the far out beliefs and claims. Which is a shame because it does not help the cause of advancing the quality of musical reproduction.
it knows not the color of skin.... another thing, they are awash with cash...
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Old 7th May 2013, 03:08 PM   #52
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I'd say "predictable," but not necessarily explainable. If A and B sound different, measurements will show the difference. They will NOT show what the listener might prefer.
There is also the weighting of the data found in measurement. Or, the understanding of the meaning of the data, it's relevance and connection to what is heard.

How we hear, how that translates to measurements. these aspects are not entirely fleshed out.

That we are each given different bits of cranial wiring when it comes to hearing and eyesight. That our outer ears are all individual, moreso than fingerprints, is what the emergent data on ear pinna (outer ear) shaping says.

This means that with our individual unique cranial wiring of our hearing mechanism, we each build (learn) a total hearing function out of that, with our individual ear shape.

Which might mean that hearing is notably more unique than that of seeing.

Add in that it is not just wiring but dedication to the act and act of learning to use that, over time, making and breaking neural connections in the noggin, as we grow and learn.

Then we come to the idealization part. The mental projections of the individual of what the reality might be, what it is felt and understood to be. Even though it is, as humans do, just a projection.

To whit..every grouping of humans of a similar mind and tasking capacity or similar interests and actions... means that a bell curve exists. A bell curve of who they are and where they stand in that system. What we invariably find, if we actually take a look, is that it is the 'mean', the 'average' that rules the roost, not the pinnacle or the peak. That the peak does not rule even within the concept of projected idealization. Some form of mediocrity rules the situation, even within the idea of the projections of the mean or average in the bell curve. In science, physics, engineering, no matter the grouping, mediocrity rules the roost or rules the system, overall. The idealizations of the centrist mass within the group cannot be the actual pinnacle of the area of endeavor, otherwise it WOULD be a proper peak of and in the center ---and it never is. It's a bell curve, and thus the peak is always out of the center or 'ruling' overall mass (or masses of people in the given area). It remains so as we are in this as an idea in learning and changing, growing.... thus the projection of moving onward and upward is indicative of the direction of the peak, thus.... the center mass cannot ever be the peak. Simple basic logic in this human oriented and connected system, and it is undeniable. Realization of this is key.


In the world of audio, with it's complex blending of areas of physics, science, and engineering, this can and does step things down one level (one level/step further down from individual bell curve centers for each area), due to this added complexity of true expertise in multiple fields of endeavor being required to complete the task of a more perfected piece of audio gear.

In this way, mediocrity of some sort tends to be saluted and celebrated by the center mass of audiophiles and even audiophile builders, as being the peak of audio quality and design. The center mass of the bell curve of audio (overall) will ALWAYS be chasing a peak that it cannot see, hear or understands even exists.

When you add in the money factor and the fact of us learning to hear differently and in different ways/paths (of learning) you get to the inevitable point of having mediocre brands and mediocre levels of skill being celebrated as being the pinnacle of audio gear and sound quality.

In the world of audio, that is the elephant in the room which the more aware in the system have to sit there and deal with. The unspoken truth that is known by many in the system. The thing that is not to be spoken of. That neophytes and people with money, who are both not at the peak of hearing/listening skills, they rule the world of audio and create the celebration and raising of brand and qualities that are not the best, but the best to those who don't know any better (and they may never learn the difference). The center of the bell curve, largely speaking, cannot move - only the individual can.

As in all systems with large samples of people in them, there will always be this bell curve of a centrist nature, where some form of mediocrity rules the day and rules the system, at least in the given public face of the given systems, if not in the reality of the given system.

Thus, the true peak of the given system will always be derided as being crackpots to the centrist peak of the bell curve sample set, as it can be no other way. Being that the centrists are generally the most vocal and unaware (the undeniable/unstoppable/unchangeable heart of the matter), this aspect can be and is compounded in the world of audio.

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Old 8th May 2013, 05:52 AM   #53
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I noticed that a local self declared "audiophile" groups have heavy drinking sessions at an expensive dealers outlet, praising each others systems. In other words its another "exclusive gentlemens club"
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Old 5th June 2013, 07:47 AM   #54
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I noticed that a local self declared "audiophile" groups have heavy drinking sessions at an expensive dealers outlet, praising each others systems. In other words its another "exclusive gentlemens club"
Heavy drinking sessions? Alcohol dulls the senses and its proven, that is why drunks talk so loud. How would they know what sounds right?
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Old 5th June 2013, 09:12 AM   #55
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That is why speakers get trashed at drinking parties, nobody notices the distortion.
This group I mentioned really believe in the superiority of their equipment and their own taste, so anyone who does not believe in hifi jewellery is a social inferior
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Old 5th June 2013, 01:36 PM   #56
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I tend to use Vishays BC in the PSU, because they are very good, fresh new e supposedly better than old originals.

I used Panas FC and I was happy the the results.

Now I use pretty normal Nippon/United Chemicons with same size dimentions as for old ones (hence higher voltage handlings).

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The reason? Well, they are cheaper, fresh new, stronger (higher temperature and voltage handlings) and most of all, they are just replacing the same "normal" capacitors that were inside all the vintage gear as all manufacturers in late 70s (Kenwood, Sansui, Pioneer, Yamaha, etc) used in their production as you can see the left one above.

If you want to put very nice Nichicons and Elnas, that's very good, too!
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Old 5th June 2013, 02:54 PM   #57
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That is why speakers get trashed at drinking parties, nobody notices the distortion.
This group I mentioned really believe in the superiority of their equipment and their own taste, so anyone who does not believe in hifi jewellery is a social inferior
I have heard very expensive system set ups that sounded very inferior.
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Old 17th October 2013, 11:29 AM   #58
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The article on the link does not tell anything about the quality of those capacitors. These are biased opinions from one single person, who claims to hear the difference. If you ever attended a local hifi event and listened to what garbage and false preconceptions people can talk about you already understand this artice carries no information at all. Most of the so called audiophiles are no trained professionals by any means, they have no idea even about basic electronics, and stick to tales, rumors and all the misused or untrue information circling around amongst them. Would you trust an engineer who builds an airplane based on feelings, mystical, non measurable powers, and information he heard at an airplane show from others who are just like him?

The other links at least carry value of measurements.
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Old 20th October 2013, 07:08 PM   #59
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For those who say that caps does not make much of a difference in the sound, analogous to those who argue that different wires do not make a difference in sound,

I have went down this route before and can tell you that yes, they do make a difference!!! Changing caps in your speakers, or changing caps in the signal path of your amp will make a difference in sound. Even replacing the electrolytic caps with newer ones will make a difference.

Just speaking from experience.
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Old 20th October 2013, 07:17 PM   #60
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caps can be used for filtering the audio signal or for coupling the audio signal.

These two modes of operation are completely different.

Any conclusion on sound quality for one mode CANNOT be assumed for the other mode, due to the physics of what is passing through the capacitor.
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