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Old 9th March 2013, 01:48 PM   #11
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Yeah, you talk crap or you don't. End of story.
sounds like a black and white thing, doesn't it?

I used to take for granted some very vocal and confident members here. one day I realized they're (partially or completely) full of it. thing is that the persons that made me realize it and provided the explanation were, coincidentally or not, rather prominent audio designers.

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say that one day I write
"CFB amps are better but I'm in a hurry and I can't explain why".

say Scott Wurcer writes the above. who would you believe?

likely neither because you likely happen to know that there's no such thing as CFB is better than VFB. but that's because, well, you happen to know it. others don't.

also, the saying goes "I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand". each reader would have the liberty to use such list the way they prefer.
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Old 9th March 2013, 02:15 PM   #12
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sounds like a black and white thing, doesn't it?
Oh well. That's life. Sometimes you get good information, most of the time you don't.

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"I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand".
Actually I believe most people aren't responsible for what they say. Most of the stuff is second hand.


*And by 'good information' I meant information you like. :-)
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what about sticking to commercial affiliations only? why not?
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So, say I sell speaker cables and then I state in a post: Cables xyz suck.
Several options:

1) you believe me on the face of it because I sell cables, if you were very simple minded and gullible

2) you realise I sell cables and so you ask: ohh yeah? why? And that would be a sensible question

3) You disregard whatever I sell and ALWAYS ask: Ohh yeah? Why? which I think is the most sensible way to react.

So, in the end, it doesn't make a hoot of difference what you do - ALWAYS ask for facts, figures and arguments to backup such a sweeping statement.

So your list would be of academic but not of any practical interest.

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Yeah, you talk crap or you don't. End of story.
Life is not that simple. Wise people sometimes talk nonsense. Fools sometimes (accidentally?) talk sense.

The way to tell whether someone is wise or a fool is to correct them when they talk nonsense. The wise man will thank you. The fool will insult you. (King Solomon said something vaguely similar to this, a long long time ago.)

On balance I think a list of 'VIP's would be unhelpful. We already get too much fanboy behaviour on here as it is, although less than some other sites. However, integrity requires that someone commenting on something which relates to their income should declare it - although not necessarily all the time if a regular contributor.
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I think having a list would create both elevation and isolation, which are most likely unwanted by the listees.
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being a member of diyaudio since 2004, it occurred to me that we have among us a lot of audio "celebrities" and/or users with commercial affiliations.
what about making a list of these users? I've seen it done on other forums.
What I see in many forums is the requirement that anyone with industry affiliations clearly identify themselves with a suffix to their IDs or with a disclosing signature. Not only does that avoid the need to create/consult a list but readers can make of it what they wish.
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ALWAYS ask: Ohh yeah? Why? which I think is the most sensible way to react.
yes. but when you realize that user X has commercial affiliation Y it starts to make sense why his answers don't make sense and/or why he avoids them
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What I see in many forums is the requirement that anyone with industry affiliations clearly identify themselves with a suffix to their IDs or with a disclosing signature. Not only does that avoid the need to create/consult a list but readers can make of it what they wish.
that would be acceptable
and yes, like I said, readers are free to/will make of it what they wish.
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yes. but when you realize that user X has commercial affiliation Y it starts to make sense why his answers don't make sense and/or why he avoids them
But you could be wrong, of course. It's not fair to think he says something because he is in for the money. He may be, or he may be genuinely convinced of what he says, and in either case he can still be wrong!

In other words, it doesn't really help! The only thing that helps if the guy/gal shores up with facts and arguments you can check.

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