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Old 14th November 2012, 08:37 AM   #241
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Phenomena that don't play ball with an experimenter are illusions.
OK I agree, (Fun Questions)

Here is a simple question..prove beyond all doubt..that when I look at something I see exactly what you see..

Next simple question...Prove beyond all doubt that the pictures you see in your mind are real..

Prove beyond all doubt that the colour red you see isnt the colour that I see as yellow..

Prove to me beyond all doubt that you (not your body) exist. However it is accepted that you in your mind are different to me.

When you talk to someone do you think of them as a lump of skin and bone or a being...why do you talk to someone who isn't real? If its only interaction of chemicals then you are deluding yourself..ie life is an illusion.


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Old 14th November 2012, 09:24 AM   #242
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If life is an illusion,

Then everything done by us is just performed by biological robots, programming (part of which is the self) set by the universe. (we believe we exist)

So all outcomes of experiments tell us (what?) everything means nothing..(it has no purpose)(we believe it has)
This could be the case...we are here because we can be..

I would think this meant that finding out if there is something more was very important...how else can we know our true nature?
Scarey isn't it...I think so.
Even more scarey than there is no other life only us...if that was the case.(anything else at this point is a belief)<<<<without which we would not be searching.

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Old 14th November 2012, 10:08 AM   #243
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Well,

What I experienced is still here, it did happen in whatever form people like to think..to me it is still very hard to explain..(Cold reading dosen't make pictures in your mind). I will agree there is something strange..(not controlled by us)..Perhaps it is within the ability of the universe to do strange things.
Some people in meditation had things like bright lights in their eyes when meditating..they said," These are deities that try to lead them from the path". They notice them and then go back to the quest. Yes I have seen these lights as well..its like a car head lights shining on your face with your eyes closed, if you open your eyes the room is still dark. (Perhaps its part of the programming).

If I had not done it myself I would think along the same lines (biological robots).

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Old 14th November 2012, 11:00 AM   #244
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If life is an illusion,

Then everything done by us is just performed by biological robots, programming (part of which is the self) set by the universe. (we believe we exist)
Or, consider if life is an exploration of what's possible given a set of rules, as in the "laws" of physics. The game of chess is nothing more than a fairly straightforward number of possible moves in a very simple "universe", of a flat board, yet it is capable of delighting and intriguing minds of a high order for all their lives. Music is another playing with the possibilies of an easily comprehended collection of elements, which always is capable of extending yet again in another direction.

Man has always delighted in the possibilities inherent in, and the endless variety of forms resulting from these "rules" - maybe in that can be found some of the "meaning of life" ...?

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Old 14th November 2012, 01:14 PM   #245
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OK I agree, (Fun Questions)

Here is a simple question..prove beyond all doubt..that when I look at something I see exactly what you see..

Next simple question...Prove beyond all doubt that the pictures you see in your mind are real..

Prove beyond all doubt that the colour red you see isnt the colour that I see as yellow..

Prove to me beyond all doubt that you (not your body) exist. However it is accepted that you in your mind are different to me.

When you talk to someone do you think of them as a lump of skin and bone or a being...why do you talk to someone who isn't real? If its only interaction of chemicals then you are deluding yourself..ie life is an illusion.


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If this line of reasoning leads you to doubt the reality of your existence and question whether all of this is your illusion, distinct from my illusion, try this exercise. Next time you are standing at a busy intersection and a bus is rushing by in the curb lane consider stepping in front of the imaginary bus with your illusory body. If you decide not to run the experiment you have demonstrated a firm grasp on the objective reality of this corporeal existence.

These mind games were entertaining and stimulating 40 years ago, contemplated in a bong haze and viewed through a synthetic windowpane. Then we move on.
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Old 14th November 2012, 02:58 PM   #246
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Next time you are standing at a busy intersection and a bus is rushing by in the curb lane consider stepping in front of the imaginary bus with your illusory body.
I never said the body was an illusion..
I'm refering to the mind.

Yes these things are strange to contemplate..However still relevant..Its either the biological robot or it's something else..

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So,

The question is an easy one..when you talk to someone are you talking to a machine<<robot..call it what you will..? (Or something else)

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I usually talk to others of the homo sapiens class. They could be thought of as a "robot" I suppose, but when the operating system is hundreds of millions of years old, the software release is a hundred thousand or so years old, and the hard drive contains somewhere between a few and a hundred years of accumulated data, so to speak, it can resemble magic.
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If this is correct,

It should follow that one day man/woman should be able to produce life from inert chemicals in a laboratory. Using no organic materials or intervention from microbes. Ie they should be able to make their own (Not borrow from other life)..This would then prove life can come from atomic structure with no other intervention. The question would then be what is life..However if this is not the case then it will create more questions..

Perhaps a sentient computer.....Mr Chandra..yes HAL..who is that standing beside you..there is no one HAL..Mr chandra will I dream..all living beings do HAL...

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Every time you enter a movie theatre and are drawn into the story line, the characters, etc, become emotionally concerned about the outcome, you are merging with another reality. A very rough and ready one, yes, but it demonstrates how the mind enjoys entangling itself with a version of "being" which is not the "correct" one. And if the resolution of the plot is poorly done, then often the viewer is quite disturbed, feels in some way he has been cheated ...

What's to stop "someone" creating a top notch movie hundreds of millions of years long, gives you plenty of time to add all sorts of refinements, indulge in a seeming endless permutations and variations of behaviours; and then allow all the "viewers" to adopt totally convincing avatars, and experience the showing from the "inside", a holodeck sort of thing ...

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