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Old 12th November 2012, 03:43 PM   #221
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So..

when we watch a Psychic event we stop it happening...

I wish it was that easy..its more like someone is playing with us..

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Old 12th November 2012, 05:47 PM   #222
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I can't resist..

Perhaps there is a dragon in my garage, however its only there when I don't look..

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Old 12th November 2012, 06:12 PM   #223
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Schrödinger's Dragon...
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Old 12th November 2012, 06:28 PM   #224
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If this was the case how do the people at CERN know that they are not effecting the outcome?
CERN is generally asking particle-like questions, so nature gives particle-like answers. In a double-slit experiment the questions are wave-like so we get wave-like answers.
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Schrödinger's Dragon...
In Sagan's garage... Where he used to smoke marijuana.

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Old 13th November 2012, 11:52 AM   #226
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The trouble with the dragon in the garage story is ...
calling the dragon a 'she'.

that is just asking for trouble.
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Old 13th November 2012, 12:24 PM   #227
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CERN is generally asking particle-like questions, so nature gives particle-like answers. In a double-slit experiment the questions are wave-like so we get wave-like answers.
Well,
This is just me thinking aloud..<<<take with a pinch of salt..

If this "trend" were to be true..then..
  1. if we expect to get nothing, would we get nothing..
  2. expect to get " Spirit contact/telepathy/ etc" then we get something..
  3. So the driving force would effect the outcome..
  4. I don't want to go to the next idea...(we get what we try to find)
so on etc..then these things would only be " symptoms" of something else..possibly that we can't comprehend....ie we only see the effect not the ...? (I was going to say cause..however it would be lacking)

I'll have a laugh here..its almost like zero point energy is acting like modelling clay.. This sounds stupid...Change the line of thought me thinks..

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Old 13th November 2012, 12:56 PM   #228
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You are quite correct...our expectations play an enormous roll in what we perceive, so reliable conclusions require that we go beyond mere perceptions. Otherwise we are eminently capable of deluding ourselves. See psychic phenomena, cable lifts, magic stones, luck, etc.
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Old 13th November 2012, 01:34 PM   #229
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This is just me thinking aloud..<<<take with a pinch of salt..
Spoonful of salt taken. I was talking about physics. Trying to extrapolate from physics to metaphysics is usually unhelpful, even when done by a physicist. Anyone else trying it is simply wasting their time, yet the liberal arts crowd seem to enjoy talking about things they simply can't understand. See Sokal hoax.
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Old 13th November 2012, 04:25 PM   #230
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, so reliable conclusions require that we go beyond mere perceptions. Otherwise we are eminently capable of deluding ourselves.
So what evidence is acceptable, from entities that "have no physical form"?
(If they were to exist) even if animals appear to see them..

What evidence is acceptable from a Medium that is giving information..?
(other than tell you about something that is fact that you do not know yourself)
(Or describe a picture in your head that they cannot see).

Is it the evidence or the repeatability thats the problem...If you saw something yourself would you believe what you had seen?
Or would you make up excuses that you were in some way influenced by something ie its not real..

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