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Old 6th September 2012, 09:45 PM   #21
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Old 7th September 2012, 12:23 PM   #22
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At these temperatures gravity and the other three fundamental forces of the universe—electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces—become a single unified force. Knowing how that happens, the so-called "theory of everything," is the holy grail of theoretical physics today.

The problem is before the big bang was it cold or hot?
Ie did it cool or warming up.. is gravity permeating the dimensions or leaking through them and if so from where..

zero point energy anyone?

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Old 8th September 2012, 11:32 PM   #23
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This doesn't do much..

However it's a start..

Engineers Unveil First Casimir Chip That Exploits The Vacuum Energy - Technology Review

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Hmm add this to the fact that we now know Higgs bosons do exist, so is anti-gravity now possible with the slim chance of inertia-less FTL travel through dimensionless space without using micro wormholes??
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Almost. We know there is something that looks a lot like we expect a Higgs to look like. We, I say laughing, as the "we" is mankind, can continue to work with the standard model as this did not tell "us" it is completely wrong. Yet.

It may not be possible to predict what it was like before the big bang. That is information that may not exist in our universe. We would need to ask Mr. Hawking about that. I don't remember him saying, in the simplistic TV shoes, a limitation about information not being lost "in our universe" but it has some logic to the idea. Can information be lost from view is where I am going.
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The problem is before the big bang was it cold or hot?
If the Big Bang idea is true, then there was no 'before' so no 'it'. The Big Bang started time as well as space. 'Before' the bang has a similar meaning to 'outside' the universe: both assume that the universe is embedded in something 'bigger' but scientifically unobservable and therefore scientifically unverifiable. It has to be unobservable because if it were observable then it would, presumably, be part of the universe.
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Was it Hot or Cold ? It was on Hold !

Interestingly, all those who are born will get the answers when they exit !
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If the Big Bang idea is true, then there was no 'before' so no 'it'. .
I guess you have not looked at Brane theory..

'Brane' Worlds: Time Before Time - YouTube

This is an idea that contains infinite Big Bangs..These would also be outside of the universe until contact with another "Brane".

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