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Old 29th June 2012, 10:15 PM   #41
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In my back garden today..

I saw a Sparrowhawk catch and kill a small bird then rip it apart and eat it..
This thread came to mind...If I visited here from another planet when the human race did not exist...What might I do?
Go bird watching?

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I could just leave...and do nothing..
Which is probably what you would do, unless greed fuels your race/civilisation in which case you'd probably make off with a parrot or two and try and flog them.

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In all these years...
centauries of time...
Nothing else comes close to us..it doesn't seem right...
Give it another few million or possibly billion years and apes might evolve into intelligent life. Just because we got there first doesn't mean that others will remain forever stupid.

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Would another life form..look at the apes and take pity that we were forever stuck at this point of evolution..Would they see it as important that intelligent life was so rare that they must intervene?
Do you look at Apes and feel sorry for them?


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Does intelligent life naturally evolve or does it need intervention?
I think we proved that intelligent life evolves naturally over time as we can trace our ancestry back far enough to what we used to be before we are what we are now.


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Would we make more intelligent life if we could?
Sure, we invest a lot of time and money into artificial intelligence.

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If we were the product of such an experiment..would we be evolved now?
The question would not be ours to answer..because if we are not going to be advanced enough to be able to leave this planet before it dies... then no we are not evolved far enough yet so the experiment continues..
I think leaving the planet will be the least of our concerns in the next few billion years that the earth is going to be around, providing the end point is determined by the sun dying. Even so, it might be beyond the laws of physics for us to actually be able to relocate the human race to another planet somewhere.

Our advancement however hasn't been good old evolution for a while now, our advancement is purely technological, but do you consider that evolution?
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Old 29th June 2012, 10:16 PM   #42
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We are the little green/grey men!
Yes, we are on the fast track to being them. Not many people realize this - but it's the underlying reason for our fascination.
 
Old 29th June 2012, 10:27 PM   #43
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I think leaving the planet will be the least of our concerns in the next few billion years that the earth is going to be around, providing the end point is determined by the sun dying. Even so, it might be beyond the laws of physics for us to actually be able to relocate the human race to another planet somewhere.

Our advancement however hasn't been good old evolution for a while now, our advancement is purely technological, but do you consider that evolution?
I agree,

Our advancement has been technological and this is going to be a major drive ..possibly Nano tech to advance and improve the human body..

I must admit I love animals and could not leave them behind to a fate they did not create..I would want to take them with me..

Does compassion come as part of higher level of species?
Is it the way to end all wars? ie I don't want to hurt you..however I can distroy you with the blink of an eye..

It would be great if one ensured the other...However I think it's wishfull thinking..

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Old 30th June 2012, 12:00 AM   #44
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Evolution has primarily been social. Technology is the social application of social knowledge. Something like that...philosophy probably has the issue in hand. Certainly it would be difficult to argue that civilisation is a product of technology. Much easier the other way round. Clearly in any case they are interdependent.

As long as we're able to contact other thinking beings for long enough to conduct a meaningful exchange, we will have made a contribution to the coming-to-consciousness of the universe. Carl Sagen probably said that. Then we can die in peace.

There's intelligent life all over, but it hasn't reached us because of the minefields. Stop feeding the pigeons, they're spies.

We're just a bit backward, and haven't managed to blow ourselves up yet. Social evolution is even trickier than the biological kind. Maybe the cosmos doesn't get to be very clever this time.
 
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Imagine how strange it would be..

I guess everyone has listened to a parrot copy words and phrases..
Two parrots in a cage talking to each other with intelligent conversation..

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Old 30th June 2012, 12:33 AM   #46
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No, this isn't true, from what I've learnt there are no longer any stars close enough to the Earth and of the appropriate mass, to cause a gamma ray burst that could extinguish life as we know it.
How can anyone know what is "close enough"?
If when we speak of ionizing radiation, no one can say "low enough" for a human being.

I can not be so sure, gamma radiation travels at speed c, is high, but finite.
Who knows, perhaps already exploded...
For when we can see, it will be too late !
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Old 30th June 2012, 01:09 AM   #47
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I have a feeling that I heard this during a discussion debunking the 2012 December apocalypse over on the astropherevids channel on youtube.

We do know quite well what close enough is when it comes to these things and we also know what type of star it requires to create one and we don't have one close enough to us to do any severe damage. We are impacted by gamma ray bursts as it is, but they are too feeble to do any serious damage.
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We do know quite well the secrets of the universe, that we must hide our ignorance behind concepts such as "Dark Matter", "Dark Energy"...

You're right, sleep peacefully.
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Old 30th June 2012, 01:51 AM   #49
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It is more likely that world society will break down....again, and we will knock ourselves back a few notches with conflict. It is just that this time we have the technological advances to do a good job of it; from weapons of mass fear to engineered disease/poisons and nano-tech machines. Certainly wouldn't be the first time conflict sets us back. Things got ugly in Europe for well over a milinea after Rome fell. Just one of many such unfourtunate turn of events for a society that had little to do with a natural disaster.

A comet could crash into earth causing significant destruction, but the possibility of that is quite remote. The only star that is close enough to our solar system to affect us with a gamma ray burst is in the Orion constalation called Beatleguese. It has the mass, rotational velocity, and axis of orientation that could place the gamma burst in our general direction when it goes nova.....in over 100,000y from now. Not my concern.

Now if the caldera known as Yellowstone park were to go off, that would be a world changing event. The word is still out on that one, but history seems to suggest it is not ripe yet and won't be for a long time. Just hope no-one gets a curly hair up their bung hole and try to crack it open with a large nuke.....I wonder if that would be possible?
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Dark energy and dark matter are no different from anything else in science that we once had trouble explaining, just because they happen to have unfortunate names doesn't make them any different.

The fact that there are these unexplainable things though is what makes science interesting.
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