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Old 1st July 2012, 10:56 AM   #121
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It’s interesting..

I wonder if the Apollo missions had a suicide pill?

Slightly off topic...

We have reached the end of the world its not the end of earth just life cannot exist any more...it’s happening slowly over the next 100 years...
If we just all stopped having children and the same with the animals when the end came there would be no life to suffer or see the end..

We talk about the billions of planets that should theoretically have evolved. How many don't destroy themselves (pollution..war) or their star dies...

Its interesting that some scientists think that as technology gets more advanced power consumption gets less transmissions get weaker and so after a point would be to weak to be picked up by aliens...so the last shows from TV are from about the end of the 80's then silent running and no one would know we are here..

If the same is true for the aliens whats the chance of picking up their transmissions?

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Old 1st July 2012, 03:33 PM   #122
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Until the 30's, the fathers of Quantum Physics were Planck, Einstein, Schrödinger...
Then, in an oversight, passed by hand from other fathers, Bohr, Heisenberg ...
What were "principles", verifiable or not, became "interpretations"...

Me catches the attention failure to have even a Quantum-Relativistic Theory. (A serious one)
Something is wrong, for me there is something rotten in Denmark.(Personal opinion)
See Afshar Experiment, serious refutation, depends on an "interpretation".
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Old 1st July 2012, 03:41 PM   #123
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It just ain't so.
This is also interesting..

What can happen will happen...If materials are being produced by stars and black holes etc..Then there can only be a finite number of combinations..now even if we think that as infinate its not..(as far as we know) The materials and particals that make up the Earth are finite..

So everything that happens can happen as dictated by the rules of the universe? Now if these rules can change then again what happens will be goverened by the new laws..

So you could say that everything that can happen will happen..however it is sort of preplanned..That might sound strange but its a bit like we can only discover whats their..we can't discover whats not..and that leads to the fact that we are not inventing anything we discover it..

The idea that we are in charge of our destiny is a bit self conceited..we can't change anything in the big picture only possibly delay it...You could argue that we can bring things to a conclusion sooner but again we are allowed to do so<<we seem to have free will but the choices are not in our hands..

Its a bit like if we drop a cup it will fall down "on earth"<<we cannot change the law..(at pressent)<<but that is already decided it depends if it is their to be discovered..

I'm not a fatalist..but you could say fate is in the hands of the universe..not ours..or we can steer the ship but only because we are allowed to do so..

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Old 1st July 2012, 04:37 PM   #124
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It's funny that when the Earth is just a speck in this galaxy, we think that things we do will affect the future seriously ! The rest of the universe just doesn't care a s**t what happens on Earth. The big picture will proceed just as it was meant to !

So if we want to be happy we should do what's required for it and not worry about how we affect the universe. We are too small and insignificant to matter much in this Universe ( the Big picture ) and thank God for that !
We as a group have nothing much to be proud of as 'intelligent' beings. Just look at what is happening around us ! The universe might benefit if we are just stomped out and give way for a better species to develop !
Rocket science doesn't make us a 'good race' ..........worth promoting or saving !

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Old 1st July 2012, 04:53 PM   #125
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I guess we will never know..

We are here because the laws say we can be...life is here because it can be..is the universe self aware? If its possible then probably yes..if life can exist in it can life exist outside it?

I guess the quantum guys may know<<<how many dimensions could exist or is it infinite..

Any way back to aliens..
What would we do if an alien race contacted us with billions of years of advancement and said hey guys you have it all wrong...everything you know including that from banned rule 9 its like this...

Would we believe them?
Would we ignore them and carry on?
Your physics is all wrong as well..we have a time machine look we will show you..

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Old 1st July 2012, 05:04 PM   #126
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Would we believe them?
Would we ignore them and carry on?
Your physics is all wrong as well..we have a time machine look we will show you.......
We wouldn't believe them ( AND won't let any other Human on Earth believe them !)

We would ignore them and carry on......obvious isn't it ? .....Look at how we carry on wars irrespective of what damage it causes. Exponentially increasing Defense weapons budgets when millions are starving or sick and need only a FRACTION of that money to fix !

We might take the time machine ride to know where the stock market is going and the number of the winning lottery tickets. Nothing to do about physics or development of the Human condition , mental or physical.

Most Humans are selfish beyond redemption........giant Dinosaurs needed to get back a flat playing field !
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Yes, popilin, entanglement, non-locality, connectedness---there are many terms denoting that "spooky action at a distance," as Einstein rightly called it. What non-locality implies is that appearance in form here---some happening here---is something of a theatre-show of a deeper, non-dimensional information play. Non-locality of this type is implied by the wholism (Bohr's term) of quantum happenings. The force of this implication is why Bohr and Einstein vigourously argued the issue decades before anyone could do anything at all to try to demonstrate non-locality in a lab.
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Bi-location seems to be an occurrence that's taken place in many places around the globe usually by 'religious icon's'. Is there irrefutable evidence for this ? I haven't seen one yet.

I'm not saying it's impossible but we don't seem to have any concrete evidence yet. It's all hearsay so far.
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Old 1st July 2012, 05:25 PM   #129
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We wouldn't believe them ( AND won't let any other Human on Earth believe them !)

We would ignore them and carry on......obvious isn't it ? .....Look at how we carry on wars irrespective of what damage it causes. Exponentially increasing Defense weapons budgets when millions are starving or sick and need only a FRACTION of that money to fix !

We might take the time machine ride to know where the stock market is going and the number of the winning lottery tickets. Nothing to do about physics or development of the Human condition , mental or physical.

Most Humans are selfish beyond redemption........giant Dinosaurs needed to get back a flat playing field !
LOL,

Yes you are probably correct...
Without discussing it I think it would have a major impact on everything including Rule 9..

It could have such an impact as to stop infighting possibly unite the world even if its because of a common enemy..

It would move mankind out of the dark ages..The only problem is it might be the end of life as we know it<<< as we become food
For an instant we might shine so bright and be gone..

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Old 1st July 2012, 05:26 PM   #130
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First, I translated what I said in my forum. Sorry for any grammatical errors after translation.

So, in this post I will tell a hypothesis, having read several books over time, leisure time during a break between two electronic assemblies. Please read carefully.

This topic reminds me of a discussion earlier when a person concerned, somewhat irritated by the direction the discussion had taken, he said: "What are so many UFOs, I bet they are made by american spy. Why not give God to see myself a UFO that when you see, then I think there. You get the rest I find stories, so all".

Of course, opinions were divided and there are today. Even if seen many things pertaining to this area ufologists were found while some charlatans, many observations remain quite large question mark. Including possible kidnapping, much publicized in a while and who have left and these questions.

For example, I once read when I was student, tired of both electronic and related work, a book called "Anderson case". It was a book in two volumes which discusses about a meeting grade III, left and a kidnapping, which occurred in the early '60s in the U.S.A. What has challenged the truth in that book is that hypnosis test was conducted on family. The doctor who did hypnosis in the book and understood it was quite titrated in the company, saying that what a subject under hypnosis is real. It was a female person who was with her family for dinner. After dinner, I hope I am not mistaken, was a period of about 3 hours where nobody remembers anything or something vague like that they went to bed. Before the actual hypnosis, that doctor did some tests, subjects asked to eat in the morning, he ate one month now morning, whom he met, so some test questions. At one point and had a past life of the subject. The problem is that, when asked if he made one month now at 8 (am no longer remember exactly), told in great detail what he did and with whom he met, people who met largely confirming words (or they do not even remember exactly what happened but vague words confirmed hypnotized person).

Then the doctor asked the hypnotized person to go to when you have finished the day's dinner. Mention that hypnosis was done in about 10 ... 15 years from possible kidnapping. Now back to topic. Under hypnosis, the person said in great detail what happened. It was a farming family after they had dinner in front of a UFO landed and came home three creatures for about 1 meter tall aliens breed Greys (described physically hypnotized subject). They communicated telepathically with her also under hypnosis. In fact, had come for her (the person hypnotized). The story is quite long, asked the aliens who seek there, on the ground etc.. They said a long time visiting Earth, and oversees the work of people (only some people). They are in search of God and the D-Our God, Jesus Christ, they called First (a name you'll find in certain christian prayers).

Making a parallel with other works read over time, it seems that the chain of civilizations which have succeeded in creating the universe from a hypothetical universe until now big enough. Some people "scientists" talking tens, hundreds others. This aliens (Greys race) were also in turn in development of mankind. As a civilization over 100 million Earth years. It says that any civilization, as a man having a baby, and a civilization or race should give rise to the existence of another race. In fact, I do not know if you were careful man now need to create the first human robot. It's just the beginning. Later this need will be transformed into other planes of existence of matter, because however much I study this matter and physico-chemical phenomena that occur at some point we will get bored. These aliens would have come at a time "boredom", already in them is a question of starving or you can not afford something. They think and seek that form of salvation, the ascension of the soul, because so far, according to the field sites and books they also have increased by cloning and genetic material began to deteriorate. In other words, gray aliens are an endangered breed.

Now go back a little earlier races in the universe belong. Again, these are just suggestions from reading some books and documents more or less reliable, but some more logic in the middle than usual. The eldest, called strain as represented by Jesus Christ, the first race that was saved in the universe, thus reached the highest level of spiritual evolution, race or species was first published in the universe (one can not explain why or how? ). Then in turn these races have created other races so Gray aliens wanted to create after their appearance (and new people want to create robots as shown) a race that would bring them salvation, find rising or evolve for this purpose. So, now several hundred million years have found Earth and have established a base on Mars for observation. Since 'race gray' long work in several dimensions, the same generation were able to come to a hundred or a thousand years on earth.

They initially created the world of dinosaurs. If I take a dinosaur and an imaginary transpose it into a bipedal man you'll see that it resembles the shape gray aliens. After millions of years of evolution of dinosaurs, they have not evolved spiritually as expected. If at first park land was a simple observation, later, because that's the race, had created beings of light material to attract spiritual formation of consciousness that target sooner or later, spiritual salvation or evolution. Of course, the dinosaurs were unable to achieve spiritual growth and gray have tried to model the evolution of living beings on Earth. In other words, their mission was so wrong and the thing seen first-along with the supreme consciousness called God (Issus or FIrst)decided to create on earth a being like him to physical work and the Bible said. After you have created man, left the other alien races to deal with man's spiritual teaching. Gray were upset by this work and have remained and they were always regarded by the other alien races as precursors reptilian race but with slightly better intentions. To appease, the first allowed them to Earth to pick a corner and guide people in the area. He chose the Singapore-China-Japan and the people in that area have very little genetically manipulated to resemble them (see for example the Chinese in the eyes and facial features that comparisons with those of gray race). The other alien races, some people look like (talk sources of information), began modeling spiritual people. So the gods came from heaven and all kinds of story about this and several languages ​​spoken on Earth.

After several years of evolution, the humanity doesn't turned in the direction hoped eldest (Christ or Issus) and thus, to change and some religions that are born, eldest decided to return to Earth and to promote christianity to human salvation. Mad at other races that were like children eager to show the coach that they can and they alone, forbade them to have any direct contact of any creature on earth. In fact it was forbidden to intervene in human evolution and was aimed at forming a union of religions and faith work which therefore lead to human salvation. No wonder no place where Jesus was born and lived, even the union of three main concepts of life (do not know if the right name but I hope I understand what I wanted to point out). Of course, some races will occur subtly without disturbing human evolution, others, such as Gray race will try to seek the way to salvation, they are some of the few alien races that are in this stage. Not intervene to Earth because people have not gone to that part of spiritual, material things are still tied, but technology can help the man. Some people say that these technologies should be shared with governments of G11 (if 11 states are now the most developed, I hope I am not wrong), others believe that they have done this but watching some spiritual people on Earth, asking among other things: "Who and where is God?".

Well, would have some say, but the whole story above I thought it was pretty good with logic, especially as the information we gathered from some sources are a bit more credibility (for example, is rumored in one of the materials read as part of the information that we have said here is found in what has so far translated the Dead Sea Scrolls).

Only Good question and here is getting increasingly closer to the truth, it?
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